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Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Well Kabikucho is in Tokyo haha. It gets really bad every night and they clean it up in the mid morning. At around 7am it's shocking how dirty it is; a complete mind blower compared to how clean you get used to everything being.

Well, this is supposedly Osaka's "dirty" place: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6687543,135.5013888,2a,75y,3...

Ah hah, 3 cigarettes at the man's feet: https://goo.gl/maps/nXUmRVou6wV86RJMA

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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These sort of articles about Japanese cleanliness and homelessness are intellectually dishonest if you don't mention massive factors like the fact that Japan eschewed the deinstitutionalization process that most wealthy countries went through toward the end of the 20th century https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation and as a result, they have four times the rate of involuntarily locking people up for m…

This implies that the main cause of trash is homelessness. Although homelessness probably causes an increase of trash, I think it's clear that a culture of littering also causes trash, which is clearly not present in Japan.

Bringing in the subject of homelessness seems tangential to the topic at hand.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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>Out of curiosity, do people in UK tip? Not in a fast-food restaurant, no. You'll often see folks in cafés help out and return their trays, but it's not a guarantee - and in some establishments it's not even possible for you as a customer to do this. At the end of the day, you're paying to sit down - and clearing your table afterwards is priced into the food offer. Fast food is a bit more of a grey area, since there'…

I tidy up or not based on whether there's table service. No table service = I do it myself, table service = it's somebody else's problem. I don't think anybody ever taught me this explicitly - it's just something I must have picked up, I suppose? I don't think it's really all that outrageous to just leave the detritus on the table in either case. But when there's no table service, the tables won't be getting cleared…

There area a lot of edge cases with this scenario. In some fast food restaurants (such as certain Burger King locations), you will get a number and the employees will bring the food to you, so there is a minimal form of table service. Also, the history of the country matters as well. In China, where there is no tipping culture, but fast food started out as fancy expensive foreign food not too long ago, the employees are expected to clean up, even as prices are now lower relatively compared with moderately expensive restaurants. On the other hand, in Korea, where there also is no tipping culture, fast food is now cheaper food, and you clean up after yourself.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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> The IRA is in part to explain I’ll bite. Why?

Removal of bins from public places.

Correct.

Though as the article notes, Japan similarly has few rubbish bins.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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In a fast food restaurant where there is a bin where customers are supposed to throw their trash then I’m assuming I’m actually not paying to have it done. That is: there isn’t staff enough to handle it, and those that leave their tray just ensure that prices go up (since they are using a service they didn’t pay for). I have never left a tray in a fast food restaurant in 40 years.

I would imagine most restaurants wouldn't want customers walking around clumsily with trays of dirty plates. They don't know what they're doing and they'd be brushing past other customers unnecessarily. In a restaurant you're paying for an experience and I think it's totally reasonable for part of that experience to be someone clearing plates away after courses.

I'm talking about McDonalds, Burger King etc. Every single one here has had places for customers to not just bring their trays but actually separate cardboard, liquids, plastics, food, other, and THEN return the tray. That has been the case for probably at least 15-20 years. Before that it was also bring the tray back, but just a trashcan, no recycling.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Removal of bins from public places.

Correct. Though as the article notes, Japan similarly has few rubbish bins.

For the same reason. There were some bomb and ricin attacks that prompted that.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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Sadly, this is the opposite of the UK cultural attitude. Kids here learn that cleaning up is someone else’s responsibility. Littering becomes a habit from an early age. Even compared to Americans, we are terrible litterers. You can see this in people’s behaviours in fast food restaurants: in the US (as in many other countries), customers will bin their food wrappers and return their tray when they leave. Even groups…

I remember the shock of moving from Tokyo to London. Despite of London not being the dirties of the cities I saw in my life, the gap is huge. Litter is everywhere even when the trash bin can be found close by. People do not respect public places, walking with your shoes on benches is normal, no one removes their shoes anywhere (example: I even saw people walk with shoes on in the soft play area where small kids are crawling touching and licking everything around,) toilets in restaurants are so dirty that I try to avoid using them if I can help it, dog's poop on the pavement, tons of bubble gum on the pavement, too. The drop that overfilled the cup was seeing bunch of young people walking from pub to pub, one of them left with glass half of beer in his hand (red flag already,) drunk few more times, and threw the glass with the beer, what's left of it, in the flowery spot. In the city center, middle of the day. It's so depressing...

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

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There's usually a 12.5% service charge in restaurants, but I've rarely seen tipping (I'm a foreigner living in London)

That 12.5% service charge is a tip (you don't have to pay it if you don't want to, and it will generally go to the servers).

How can you refuse to pay? It's part of the bill, isn't it? In most restaurants I've been so far at least. Also foreigner, so maybe I am missing something.
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