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Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by notyourday »

robertelder wrote: post #5

I find this city fascinating for some reason. It's something about the fact that it's so harsh, but humans are still able to live there. Here's a YouTube video of it that makes it look almost artistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks9E9XQp_2k

Every time someone at a fancy party drinking Napa Cabernet and munching on double cream brie from France tells everyone that the United States and Europe can do just fine without China and Russia show them these Youtube videos. That pollution and those kind of hell on earth condition is what we have moved over there.

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by delibash___ »

tomohawk wrote: post #10

Its amazing what unfettered socialism can lead to.

Actually, it's unfettered state capitalism in this case. Stalin mandated Norilsk's development to enrich the state. Similar to the modern Chinese model. So socialism has little to nothing to do with it.

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by est31 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #27
antisthenes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make no mistake - humans are only able to live there while burning copious amounts of hydrocarbons to stay warm and/or generate electricity. And they don't live particularly well. Also at the massive cost to the surrounding environment. I guess Inuits live in the extreme cold as well, but their entire world population is smaller than the city of Norilsk.

Trust me, global warming does not sound like something bad for citizens of Norilsk.

There is tons of smog though which is both unpleasant and very bad for the health.

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by saagarjha »

lostmsu wrote: post #23
antisthenes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make no mistake - humans are only able to live there while burning copious amounts of hydrocarbons to stay warm and/or generate electricity. And they don't live particularly well. Also at the massive cost to the surrounding environment. I guess Inuits live in the extreme cold as well, but their entire world population is smaller than the city of Norilsk.

> Also at the massive cost to the surrounding environment. Assuming you didn't mean global warming here, there was never much of environment there humans could damage.

> there was never much of environment there humans could damage

There’s a lot of ways humans can ruin the environment even without global warming.

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by tomohawk »

delibash___ wrote: post #32
tomohawk wrote: post #10

Its amazing what unfettered socialism can lead to.

Actually, it's unfettered state capitalism in this case. Stalin mandated Norilsk's development to enrich the state. Similar to the modern Chinese model. So socialism has little to nothing to do with it.

This is not even wrong.

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by deforciant »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #27
antisthenes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make no mistake - humans are only able to live there while burning copious amounts of hydrocarbons to stay warm and/or generate electricity. And they don't live particularly well. Also at the massive cost to the surrounding environment. I guess Inuits live in the extreme cold as well, but their entire world population is smaller than the city of Norilsk.

Trust me, global warming does not sound like something bad for citizens of Norilsk.

Their buildings are collapsing due to permafrost disappearing :) Also it will release lots of pollution from the ground which will even further worsen environmental situation. So on one point yes, it will be warmer but it will make their life more difficult than it is now :(

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by rinchik »

newshorts wrote: post #30
rinchik wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great point. Not sure about unfettered though, it's just socialism period. Everything is controlled by the government and not the market. Planned economy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_economy ). Unfortunately some see socialism as a candy, a glorious oasis we should all paddle towards without realization that it's a giant trap. A pure hell with great marketing for ordinary people.

Like Denmark?

Ah right, great fallacy! Great argument! Love when people throw Denmark, with population of 5M, under the bus while having not a slightest idea of what's actually going on. And why bother researching. Good old bernie sanders already said US can become a Denmark of tomorrow. Right? Right?? :D

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by rimliu »

notyourday wrote: post #31
robertelder wrote: post #5

I find this city fascinating for some reason. It's something about the fact that it's so harsh, but humans are still able to live there. Here's a YouTube video of it that makes it look almost artistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks9E9XQp_2k

Every time someone at a fancy party drinking Napa Cabernet and munching on double cream brie from France tells everyone that the United States and Europe can do just fine without China and Russia show them these Youtube videos. That pollution and those kind of hell on earth condition is what we have moved over there.

Would you mind to share more how did you discover nickel at the beginning of the XX century and how you managed the gulags?

Re: Norilsk: Otherworldly Photos of an Arctic City

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Post by tom_ »

rinchik wrote: post #37
newshorts wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Denmark?

Ah right, great fallacy! Great argument! Love when people throw Denmark, with population of 5M, under the bus while having not a slightest idea of what's actually going on. And why bother researching. Good old bernie sanders already said US can become a Denmark of tomorrow. Right? Right?? :D

Your argument could be improved.

Like, for starters: what is actually going on? Don't leave us in suspense. Spit it out, lad.

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