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Eliud Kipchoge Breaks Two-Hour Marathon Barrier
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
What was the "Class A time" for the Marines 20 years ago? No offense but if you broke 18 minutes (6:00 mile) for the 3 mile I'd be surprised. Kipchoge just ran a 4:30 mile for 26 miles. Hell, the best marathoner the US had in the 2000 Olympics ran a 2:30. Literally a half hour slower than Kipchoge.
> No offense but if you broke 18 minutes (6:00 mile) for the 3 mile I'd be surprised. Curious, but why? That's an extremely achievable time for anybody who is athletic and trains. (no disagreement that 4:30 pace is vastly more difficult than 6:00)
> That's an extremely achievable time for anybody who is athletic and trains.
Right, a number of people in my high school did that regularly in PE class (unfortunately, I’d usually come in a half-dozen minutes later…). This isn’t anything special.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Back then people didn’t believe a four minute mile is possible, but after the barrier has been broken, dozens followed suit. In his eyes, his achievement is not the run, but breaking the barrier, and I appreciate him for that.
> after the barrier has been broken, dozens followed suit. I read an interesting article about that explaining that this wasn't really down to any kind of barriers but more having pacers and a better track (which is coincidentally about the previous 2h marathon attempt.) https://sportsscientists.com/2014/12/2-hour-marathon-4-min-m...
That, plus having enough time for a generation of runners to blossom after WW2.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No offense but if you broke 18 minutes (6:00 mile) for the 3 mile I'd be surprised. Curious, but why? That's an extremely achievable time for anybody who is athletic and trains. (no disagreement that 4:30 pace is vastly more difficult than 6:00)
“Who trains”, yes. Not saying that someone couldn’t do that in a PT test but more often than not, people aren’t training to the level they’d achieve that. If they were running distance in high school, sure. It’s an ordinary time for a high school varsity cross country runner.
shrug I think 6:00/mi for 3 miles is very achievable for a normally athletic male who practices running a small amount.
(Just went back to my logs: when I picked up running at age 34, it took me four months of running ~4 days a week to run a 5k at <6:00/mi. I say this not to brag, but to say that it's a pretty pedestrian time, especially for a young presumably fit marine)
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dude, I get it. It wasn't a race. But it was damn close to race conditions. Pacemaking is a situation that regularly happens on race day. There was no giant fan. It was basically race day under ideal conditions. You are obviously not a runner, and don't appear to have an understanding of how important certain rules are (or aren't) and yet want to enforce your judgment on everybody else. Now that's what I call Bullshi…
It was damn close to a race, and they got a result that is damn close to the world record.
And that's damn impressive. Why would you shit on that?
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#227What, specifically, made this attempt (and the Breaking2 attempt) not eligible for a world record? Pacemakers are allowed under IAAF criteria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athle... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_world_record_progress...
For one, pacemakers have to enter the race and start the race with him. You can't have pacemakers enter partway. They all have to be eligible to hit the record too if they are capable. Per IAAF rules, pacemakers are basically just competitors that you pay to go out too fast and drop out partway.
Also just not a sanctioned course, not proper testing protocol for doping, not open to other competitors, and so on.
(Former USATF apprentice official, though stopped officiating once I started grad school)
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#228The LetsRun thread on this is pretty great, starting with a heated debate about his shoes. Were they too springy? https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9640871
Wow, that was not heated but toxic. I had to nope out of that after reading the first 2 pages.
That is all of LetsRun. It is an incredibly toxic community full of experts and trolls.
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#229It should be noted there are, at least 3 things here that make this quite a bit different than a normal marathon: * questionable shoes, but personally I'm fine with this, its just better shoes! * the pace car is too close providing large aerodynamic advantage * the pace makers aren't in the race from the start, might as well just let the car get even closer and dispense with the charade entirely The last two points m…
The Nike shoes are legal, though controversial. Give it a few more years of further improvements to the shoe technology, and they will probably be banned and asterisks will be placed next to every record, like in swimming when technology got too good.
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#230Anyone have estimated of how many calories he burned during this run? I wonder how much he ate before starting and when? Are they allowed calorie dense drinks during these runs? I do not do runs, walking sure, so I am just really curious how much it takes for the human body to do this type of run
Elite runners tend to burn much less than normal runners over the same distance, since they are typically lighter and more efficient.
This race didn't follow the rules so he could do whatever he wanted. Under official rules, you can have a custom drink placed on a table, which you run by and pick up yourself. Most marathons with an elite wave do this for elite runners. Nobody can hand you your drink.
However, it is not common to have very calorie-dense drinks because it is just not necessary over that distance. You want a little bit of carbohydrate so that you don't deplete your glycogen stores or get low blood sugar. That is about it. So most runners will consume maybe 200-300 calories during a marathon. Elite runners will typically consume less, again since they are more efficient.