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Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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If this were 20 years ago, people would be griping about some MS issue about providing less than adequate service, etc. Apple has always been anal about their app store & apps. As a developer - it's a pain. As an end-user I appreciate it.

As an end user, I don't really appreciate that some of the apps I am using are just going to stop working.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

#62
post #5

Perhaps these apps were already well beyond supported? I don't use anything except 1Password on the list at the link and the current supported version is 7. Version 2.x would have been sometime and many security updates ago, non?

Just because the developer doesn't support something anymore doesn't mean I stop wanting to use it.

Theres also some games from relatively big names (Riot, Valve) that don't work. On one hand they had plenty of time to update. But OTOH with this and the OpenGL deprecation, maybe they saw the writing on the wall from Apple

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

#63
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have shares in Apple your whole point is invalid, you're looking to this from Apple point of view which is very good for her business but not mine, i care about the company that give me the best solutions to my problems not the company that's can milk me the last day of my life.

Not having to worry about yet another security vulnerability caused by 10 year old code does impact me. It’s also nice to have other Apple products that MS could never produce because they worshipped at the alter of backwards compatibility. Running outdated code on a bloated operating system doesn’t benefit me.

>Not having to worry about yet another security vulnerability caused by 10 year old code does impact me.

Surely you're not suggesting that OS X is somehow more secure because it doesn't provide as much backwards compatability?

>It’s also nice to have other Apple products that MS could never produce because they worshipped at the alter of backwards compatibility.

It is looking more and more like Apple cannot produce products other people can, not the other way around. Most of their recent product announcements(2017 and after, especially) have begun to look quite disappointing in my eyes.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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post #25

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I have a 32-bit application I use regularly to interface with old hardware (which isn't on the list incidentally; I suspect there are many other niche applications like this). The hardware vendor isn't going to re-write it. As such I have to... 1) Avoid MacOS upgrades forever, or 2) Let the hardware become nearly impossible to use (there are workarounds on the device itself, but it's really painful to use), or 3) Wri…

That hardware has software that works on modern Linux kernels?

No, but if it doesn't have software that works on my Mac either, that's one less reason to stay on the Mac. At this point I'm down to one remaining reason to stay on the Mac (Logic Pro) and I'd like to find a feasible alternative.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

#65

Funny thing about games: most revenue happens soon after release. It's like movies. A game from several years ago usually has low ongoing revenue, so there's little profit in updating it for a new OS. Many Mac games will just die. Especially indies, where the creator might have already moved on. Do you own any nice but not very successful Mac games? They'll die. This move destroys the reputation of Mac as a game plat…

On the hand, most people stop playing most games pretty quickly after purchase, too. And the good ones often get remade.

So, while this will disappoint some people, I think "destroys the reputation" is a bit much. Many game buyers don't care that much.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

#66

Funny thing about games: most revenue happens soon after release. It's like movies. A game from several years ago usually has low ongoing revenue, so there's little profit in updating it for a new OS. Many Mac games will just die. Especially indies, where the creator might have already moved on. Do you own any nice but not very successful Mac games? They'll die. This move destroys the reputation of Mac as a game plat…

>This move destroys the reputation of Mac as a game platform

You can't destroy what never existed.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

There's plenty of areas where Microsoft has dropped the ball on backwards compatibility. They've got operating systems they no longer support, including Windows 10 Mobile in just a couple months. There's hardware platforms they no longer support. Their "PlaysForSure" content can no longer be played. Their web browsers drop support for old technologies all the time, e.g., Edge doesn't support ActiveX. Xbox One is only backwards compatible with some Xbox 360 games, and Xbox 360 was only backwards compatible with some Xbox games.

Really, the only area where Microsoft has bent over backwards for backwards compatibility is Windows-on-x86, because that's been their golden goose for 30 years.

A couple weeks ago, their CEO said "The operating system is no longer the most important layer for us". Will they continue to work their butts off in the name of backwards compatibility, or will they start treating it the same way they do their services, media stores, game consoles, and web browsers? I'm not optimistic Microsoft is going to be a better long-term play in this department.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/3/20896908/microsoft-window...

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

#68
post #22

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Microsoft did manage to port Windows to mobile platforms, with success to some extent. Notice that it's Windows for Desktop that maintains support for legacy software. Support for legacy software isn't necessarily detrimental to success. Microsoft's lost battle in phone market has nothing to do with it. In addition, Microsoft seems to be doing just fine in the other markets, and it's been growing on cloud, which we m…

Windows on mobile was a mess. You couldn't just take any Windows app and run it. It had to be a specially designed UWP one of which there weren't many. And then there was different OSs depending on whether it was on ARM or not, running UWP exclusively or not. I am a developer and even I couldn't understand the rules. It's unquestionable that Microsoft's decision not to encourage developers to rewrite their apps (or a…

You can't run any Mac apps on iOS.

I think Microsoft's big problem on mobile was if anything a first-mover disadvantage; they had Windows Mobile designed to compete with Blackberry and Java ME devices. The iPhone was able to basically produce a second-generation product that bested all of those things. Microsoft wasn't able to catch up the second generation by the time the market was entrenched, and I suspect that it was less an engineering challenge caused by backwards compatibility (backwards compatibility didn't hinder the NT kernel from powering the Xbox One) and more of a cultural challenge.

Re: Apple's list of 235 apps that are incompatible with macOS Catalina

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post #2

This is why Microsoft is the better long-term play: Backwards compatibility -- their commitment to the investment of labor. If you build your software on Apple, there almost certainly will come a point in the future where your code will cease to work. Microsoft has made a commitment to backward compatibility. It's such a huge benefit. I have code that has continued to run, untouched, for decades . I don't have to upg…

....for people who choose to sell software it might be. For users this might not matter much at all. I’d rather they remove the bad parts than keep old software working.
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