It's not about the current data, it's about the trends. This is like saying that "90% of people still uses horse-powered vehicles to make their trips" five years after the invention of the steam engine.
A brief glimpse of Nokia's popularity outside the Western world
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#12What is the chart measuring? The article implies that it represents App Store visits. Do they buy anything, though? That's the metric that's important to developers.
That's the tricky thing. As far as I can tell, the graph shows what percentage of phone users (or mobile Internet users?) regularly access the stores.
Basically, it suggests that about 9% of app users have iPhones in China (which still seems very high -- but I guess they're all in affluent areas), 13% have Android phones, and the rest have Symbian/Nokia phones (65%ish).
Most of the top apps in the China Mobile Mobile Market seem to be Symbian/S60 apps, too: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&...
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#13It's not about the current data, it's about the trends. This is like saying that "90% of people still uses horse-powered vehicles to make their trips" five years after the invention of the steam engine.
The only real trend is that Android is gaining ground -- which is no surprise, given that Android phones are the cheapest to make, and will only get cheaper!
Nokia/Symbian phones have just as many 'rich' features as their iOS/Android cousins. They're just not marketed as well, and they don't have the orgiastic support of the tech blogs.
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#14Isn't there quite a bit of data though to make this very static picture of the market somewhat irrelevant? I'm not trying to spread FUD. I would seriously like enlightenment if I'm wrong, but these are the conceptions that I have with respect to the more fluid nature of the market: -The trend, throughout the world, is going heavily against Nokia -Nokia's margins on each unit is a fraction of the competition -Nokia's…
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#15Isn't there quite a bit of data though to make this very static picture of the market somewhat irrelevant? I'm not trying to spread FUD. I would seriously like enlightenment if I'm wrong, but these are the conceptions that I have with respect to the more fluid nature of the market: -The trend, throughout the world, is going heavily against Nokia -Nokia's margins on each unit is a fraction of the competition -Nokia's…
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#16Installed Opera Mobile 10.1 immediately last night.
Still, i cannot find any menu which allows me to access it.
Not kidding you.
But best built piece of cellular hardware i've had since the 80s. The camera sensor is better than most compacts, and how on earth do they make speakers in this thing which shame laptops? (only took an hour to find out how to launch the FM radio . . )
Yours,
darned confused why i cannot even find a proper menu on my N8 . . .
- j
Re: A brief glimpse of Nokia's popularity outside the Western world
#17Isn't there quite a bit of data though to make this very static picture of the market somewhat irrelevant? I'm not trying to spread FUD. I would seriously like enlightenment if I'm wrong, but these are the conceptions that I have with respect to the more fluid nature of the market: -The trend, throughout the world, is going heavily against Nokia -Nokia's margins on each unit is a fraction of the competition -Nokia's…
Betting against high-selling low-margin products would be like betting against Wal-Mart. You can co-exist with them but you can't beat them at their own game, and their game is around to stay.
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#18Isn't there quite a bit of data though to make this very static picture of the market somewhat irrelevant? I'm not trying to spread FUD. I would seriously like enlightenment if I'm wrong, but these are the conceptions that I have with respect to the more fluid nature of the market: -The trend, throughout the world, is going heavily against Nokia -Nokia's margins on each unit is a fraction of the competition -Nokia's…
Betting against high-selling low-margin products would be like betting against Wal-Mart. You can co-exist with them but you can't beat them at their own game, and their game is around to stay.
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#19Any tales of HN-ers experience with Symbian?
More recently (last year) I wanted to test an app concept, and built it with PyS60, i.e. Python for S60. Working with that platform was really nice, very good for rapid testing, but getting the installer right for some beta testers around the world was already a pain -- wouldn't want even to try a full commercial release. Also the UI APIs are quite lacking. But still, really nice working in an environment where you have the Python console running on the phone, connected to your PC via Bluetooth for running commands directly.
Re: A brief glimpse of Nokia's popularity outside the Western world
#20Isn't there quite a bit of data though to make this very static picture of the market somewhat irrelevant? I'm not trying to spread FUD. I would seriously like enlightenment if I'm wrong, but these are the conceptions that I have with respect to the more fluid nature of the market: -The trend, throughout the world, is going heavily against Nokia -Nokia's margins on each unit is a fraction of the competition -Nokia's…
Yes the penetration of smartphones is increasing, but I personally know a lot of people who don't want smartphone. For example, 2 out of 3 of my friends who owns iPhone said to me that "...but my previous nokia [dumbphone] was better", and are not planing to buy another smartphone. So it's still an open question what the ratio between smartphone and dumbphone will be in the future. But Nokia's dumbphones are certainl…
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