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Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure the parent comment was being satirical.

His point was well taken. Nobody is against development; this is misinformation.

Nobody is against housing development in San Francisco? It is not really a controversial position that it is very difficult to build new housing supply. There have been numerous well studied articles on this fact and a variety of first hand accounts from real estate developers who have had enormous difficulty in building new housing in the bay area.

edit: candidates may run on new housing development as it easy an easy thing to say and run on. But when rubber meets the road, local planning boards and strict zoning requirements mean translate into orders of magnitude less development than people would like or the market would have.

there are both city wide studies and the specific examples like the infamous laundromat or garage-door based house that are deemed too historic or architecturally significant (standards that would not hold up else anywhere in the nation)

for info on the two examples, google "Largent House" or "SF Mission Laundromat redevelopment"

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point was well taken. Nobody is against development; this is misinformation.

Nobody is against housing development in San Francisco? It is not really a controversial position that it is very difficult to build new housing supply. There have been numerous well studied articles on this fact and a variety of first hand accounts from real estate developers who have had enormous difficulty in building new housing in the bay area. edit: candidates may run on new housing development as it easy an ea…

Look at the D5 race. All the candidates are pro development, the discussion is about to what extent this should happen via mixed rate units vs market rate.

As for what people want... is there any good way to be run out of town because you don’t have money? Unrestricted development wouldn’t address the needs of current residents at all and would result in people being forced out in addition to creating more homeless.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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Directive 10-289: In the name of the general welfare, to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that: Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty s…

I agree with the goals of this directive, but it's written in a deliberately silly way. No non-fictional agency would put restrictions on increasing production or creating new technology. On the contrary, abolish the USPTO and let people invent all they want, but the new inventions can be used freely by anyone for the good of the country, too.

Preventing people like d'Anconia from shutting down their manufacturing sites seems reasonable in the abstract, but in a world where so much interesting technology is digital and therefore copiable, what's the need? If Steve Jobs wished to torpedo Apple, that's fine, we've got enough other OSes.

Moreover, it's quite clear that much of the interesting and productive technology of our generation has come from people with no profit motive. AT&T was legally forbidden from profiting from UNIX, so UNIX became a standard. Netscape failed to make money and became reborn as the donation-supported Firefox, which immediately became better than Netscape could have been. And so forth.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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Too comical. Scooters are a threat to society but not record level property crime, car break ins, and opioid addiction and mental health issues among the homeless

Not to mention re emergence of medieval diseases like Typhoid [1], large and widely spread amount of human feces (which is a biohazard), and lack of housing supply which contributes to untenable housing costs. [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tu...

Yep. Can’t wear sandals anywhere either for fear of stepping into a used needle and contracting something.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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I sometimes watch SFGOVTV https://sfgovtv.org/

You can literally see the sausage being made.

You know what? These folks don't seem like mustache-twirling Machiavellian monsters to me. They seem like people just like you and me that are doing their best to manage a city. It's not easy.

We techno-elite have been shouting "Disruption!" in their faces for about two decades now, eh? So here's the counter-reaction, the pushback. If you don't like it, participate. Maybe I'll see you on SFGOVTV.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point was well taken. Nobody is against development; this is misinformation.

Nobody is against housing development in San Francisco? It is not really a controversial position that it is very difficult to build new housing supply. There have been numerous well studied articles on this fact and a variety of first hand accounts from real estate developers who have had enormous difficulty in building new housing in the bay area. edit: candidates may run on new housing development as it easy an ea…

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Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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This aside, it might be useful to have the opposite as well (or instead). Ie: Some portion of some city designated friendly and relatively unregulated for the testing of new technologies in public spaces... Like the Chinese special economic zones, but smaller scale. Instead of arguing about what approach is unequivocally better, we can just have some of both. This isn't like housing where market fungibility makes it…

The actual function of China's special economic zones is control, not freedom.

Passing into one is identical to passing through an international checkpoint, with minor differences. When driving, the guards basically ignore white people and party members while non-party members have to pull over and go through full scanning and scrutiny to prove they are allowed to enter.

Once in the zone, setting up any kind of business that requires actual capital equipment is completely impossible for anyone who is not a party member.

Even for party members it is close to impossible. China is actually highly regional with provinces having a lot of power. You have to get permission from the province to do anything, and the local powerful elite will only permit those they can control to establish industry.

With this in place, they do not have to care about anyone outside of these zones, so they are free to enact whatever brutal policies they desire.

Special economic zones are only for powerful, rich, and well-connected. Everyone else loses.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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I sometimes watch SFGOVTV https://sfgovtv.org/ You can literally see the sausage being made. You know what? These folks don't seem like mustache-twirling Machiavellian monsters to me. They seem like people just like you and me that are doing their best to manage a city. It's not easy. We techno-elite have been shouting "Disruption!" in their faces for about two decades now, eh? So here's the counter-reaction, the pus…

Not saying SF politicians are monsters per se, but Machiavellian monsters don't look like it in real life.

That's one of the first rules of Machiavellianism.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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This really fits in the greater scenario that:

Once an emerging technology has gotten popular enough (no longer limited to few inventors and early adoptors). You've got people that understand barely anything about it trying to get a slice of a pie. This can come in any directions, some of it as job applicants/VC management deals, some of it posing as regulatory bodies, and it happens both inside and outside of the company/circle that created tech.

Sometimes it works out as the new tech is competitive enough to absorb the cost of these overheads, other times it just sink with edge/non-contributing members sucking the blood out of it.

Re: SF to Establish Office of Emerging Technology

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Too comical. Scooters are a threat to society but not record level property crime, car break ins, and opioid addiction and mental health issues among the homeless

Well ups & downs in petty crime have been going on forever, and we’ve been policing it the best we know how for years and ... it doesn’t stop & society hasn’t failed.

If you have a better plan than “sit and complain about how everyone else isn’t focusing on undefined3840 priorities”, put it out there.

Is there any thing novel to our social methodology you’d like to see considered? Or ya just gonna highlight a problem as you see it and leave it to others to deal with (while still being dissatisfied?)

Seems like being forward thinking about NEW problems is at least partially what you want.

It’s not as if one city can solve problems that are societies as a whole.

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