The Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement (2013)
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The Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement (2013)
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#2Do you have one that shows the money behind climate change and who is profiting. THAT is reality.
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#3"Climate denial" is a stupid phrase... And it is a straw man.
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#4Disclaimer. I’m a believer. But at this point isn’t there money behind both sides? I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be.
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#5Disclaimer. I’m a believer. But at this point isn’t there money behind both sides? I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be.
The problem is the GOP is bought by fossil fuel, even though solar and wind and nuclear can lobby, they can not compete with record setting fossil profits in 2019 dollar amounts, thus the GOP will continue to get on their knees before this industry. We need to technologically destroy the profits that drive denialism. We need to make EVs, renewables, nuclear, etc. so much better that fossil can't compete... seems unlikely but tech may be the way.
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#6Disclaimer. I’m a believer. But at this point isn’t there money behind both sides? I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be.
Sure, but it's more interesting to find out who funds opposition to saving the world, right?
If you look to see who funds climate change advocacy I expect you'll find governments doing most of it, with various ngo's doing most of the rest. Look at the ngo's and you'll find maybe soros or gates as prominent, but I don't think there will be much concentration: the environment movement is a real popular movement, not astroturf.
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#7Disclaimer. I’m a believer. But at this point isn’t there money behind both sides? I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be.
Sure, but it's more interesting to find out who funds opposition to saving the world, right? If you look to see who funds climate change advocacy I expect you'll find governments doing most of it, with various ngo's doing most of the rest. Look at the ngo's and you'll find maybe soros or gates as prominent, but I don't think there will be much concentration: the environment movement is a real popular movement, not as…
Nah, the "environment movement" as you call it is obviously funded by the governments looking for an excuse to raise taxes. It's the governments giving away grant money to fund the "scientific consensus" (another ridiculous term).
Meanwhile, this has nothing to do with "saving the world", only with the sovereign debt crisis. United States, EU and Japan are dead broke, they will try every ploy to raise taxes and steal from the "evil rich people", even if it means ending the Western Civilization.
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#8Sure there is. But doesn't the title of the article read like nazi era propaganda? Not very professional or scientific or to call anyone on the other side a 'climate denier'. I'm sort of in that camp but am not paid and kind of dont mind debating it
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#9Disclaimer. I’m a believer. But at this point isn’t there money behind both sides? I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be.
The problem is the GOP is bought by fossil fuel, even though solar and wind and nuclear can lobby, they can not compete with record setting fossil profits in 2019 dollar amounts, thus the GOP will continue to get on their knees before this industry. We need to technologically destroy the profits that drive denialism. We need to make EVs, renewables, nuclear, etc. so much better that fossil can't compete... seems unli…
It's funny how perspectives can be so different. I feel like the GOP has been politely waiting for the DNC to come to terms with the fact that nuclear is really the only path forward to provide clean stable grid power.
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#10Back in the day (1998), when it was very much not a thing, I remember 4 supposedly different, very professional (for the time) climate denial sites popping up on a search, all of which if you looked at the raw html code, were obviously from the same web page company.
And I was enlightened.