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Eliud Kipchoge Breaks Two-Hour Marathon Barrier

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I can't sprint that fast nowadays. When I was in the Marines 20 years ago, my 3-mile pace was slower than that, and I still had a class "A" run time. This is amazing.

He's literally the fastest distance runner in the world. It's not surprising you were slower than him. (I am too!)

Likely the fastest human distance runner that has ever lived on this earth.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drafting_(aerodynamics)#Runnin... : ”Drafting behind another runner can conserve energy, although the effect is less than in cycling due to the fact that speeds are lower.” There also is a psychological effect. It is easier to keep a constant pace if there’s somebody in front of you that does it, too.

So use an AR headset to put a virtual person in front of you keeping a constant pace?

Marathon runners would run naked if they could. Certainly don’t want or need some heavy gadget on their head.

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post #13

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Citation needed ? > He ran behind a timing car driving 4:34 per mile I think most men could pull 12 minute miles (26 in a row, that is), so maybe a factor of 3?

Most meaning the median person ? I doubt it

5 mph, not much more than walking speed? I have doubts about keeping it up for 5 hours, though.

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post #36

That is, while impressive, pretty meaningless. The thing is, that sports are defined by their rules and to the best of my understanding the long distance running rules are written to prevent teamwork. (Unlike cycling, which is explicitly a team sport.) Basically, the two hour mark is important in the specific circumstances of Olympic marathon, and was broken in a different sport. To broaden the discussion a bit, it s…

How are they bending the rules if they try to prove that a human can run a marathon distance in less than two hours? I am not arguing that he has run a marathon below 2:00, but he is the first recorded human that has achieved such a feat - which is kind of a barrier many people have tried to break or at least recognized to exist - even though it has required them to remove all possible outside factors like wind and they even re-paved parts of the route to make conditions optimal, and he got pretty lucky with the weather today.

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Well the first 4-minute mile was achieved in a similar manner and for some reason it is well known in the popular imagination. To be honest I think these arbitrary marks of achievement are all very artificial and more about good PR more than anything else. Personally I think the 2 hour marathon is slightly less arbitrary than the 4-minute mile but breaking it was only a matter of time.

No, it was a genuine race (the 'pacemakers' were also competing, were not lapped, and had to finish the race).

They completed the race (not hard to do when it is only a mile) but please do not try to suggest that Chataway or Brasher were in that race as anything other than designated pacesetters and windbreaks for Bannister.

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post #42

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So use an AR headset to put a virtual person in front of you keeping a constant pace?

Marathon runners would run naked if they could. Certainly don’t want or need some heavy gadget on their head.

A device like google glass wouldn't be much heavier than their usual glasses.

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His pace was an incredibly consistent 2:50/km which to someone who casually runs with a workout tracker and runs far less distance than a marathon is absurd. I know his official race time is barely slower and this was about shaving a few seconds per km off that, but that pace is just insane.

Here is a short (45s) video showing side by side comparison of 4-hour, 3-hour and 2-hour pace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTlmxYwiqw4

Austin has a nice and popular trail where many runners train along town lake so back when I was jogging, I would occasionally gets passed by a really great runner (like our local Gilbert Tuhabonye[1]). It's really awe inspiring to be right there--like the difference between only watching Andy Roddick serve at 150+ mph and what I imagine its like trying to return it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Tuhabonye

Re: Eliud Kipchoge Breaks Two-Hour Marathon Barrier

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post #45
post #36

That is, while impressive, pretty meaningless. The thing is, that sports are defined by their rules and to the best of my understanding the long distance running rules are written to prevent teamwork. (Unlike cycling, which is explicitly a team sport.) Basically, the two hour mark is important in the specific circumstances of Olympic marathon, and was broken in a different sport. To broaden the discussion a bit, it s…

How are they bending the rules if they try to prove that a human can run a marathon distance in less than two hours? I am not arguing that he has run a marathon below 2:00, but he is the first recorded human that has achieved such a feat - which is kind of a barrier many people have tried to break or at least recognized to exist - even though it has required them to remove all possible outside factors like wind and t…

So, if they wanted to prove that a human can run a sub 2 h marathon distance, then why is not the entire doping arsenal in play? Similar, one could probably improve on the record by driving behind the runner with a car with an really big fan. Neither of that was done to prove that a human can run sub 2 h. My argument is now, that would shatter the spectacle. The NYT would not report on the first fan assisted sub-two hour marathon run, so they don't do it because their ultimate goal is the NYT headline "Eliud Kipchoge Breaks Two-Hour Marathon Barrier." (Which by your admission is actually misleading.

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post #36

That is, while impressive, pretty meaningless. The thing is, that sports are defined by their rules and to the best of my understanding the long distance running rules are written to prevent teamwork. (Unlike cycling, which is explicitly a team sport.) Basically, the two hour mark is important in the specific circumstances of Olympic marathon, and was broken in a different sport. To broaden the discussion a bit, it s…

This kind of comment really depresses me. Someone achieves something absolutely amazing and some random commenter on the net will be happy to belittle it in every way that they can think of.
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