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Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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I'm actually glad it's dead/dying. It was always going to be controlled by an elite group who answered to no one but themselves. They had the ability to monitor all of your transactions and if they didn't like you they could roll back or block your transactions. People keep saying oh this is proof crypto can't ever work because government. This was never a true crypto currency. It was just a private ledger tracking w…

>They had the ability to monitor all of your transactions and if they didn't like you they could roll back or block your transactions. Unlike, what, my established credit card company which still blocks me randomly when I'm traveling overseas even when I explicitly call their 800 hotline, sit on hold for 30 minutes, and tell some unempathetic worker "I'm overseas, don't block me"? Yes, thank goodness libra is dying,…

I can instantly toggle or schedule my card availability per global region (and on/offline) through an app, with login protected by hw or app-based 2fa.

Your problems are already solved, in Europe at least. Thanks to banks and governments, ironically!

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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You mean like the eur, usd, aud, nzd, gbp, jpy? That sort of stable and reliable currency with a strong banking infrastructure?

Yeah except they are not digital currencies(i.e you cant store them on a cold wallet, you can't send or accept them without several 3rd parties involved(i.e paypal, visa, banks)

At least governments are sort of remotely accountable. If we've learned anything from the entire fucking history of the internet it's that nerds with power are not particularly accountable.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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Yeah except they are not digital currencies(i.e you cant store them on a cold wallet, you can't send or accept them without several 3rd parties involved(i.e paypal, visa, banks)

At least governments are sort of remotely accountable. If we've learned anything from the entire fucking history of the internet it's that nerds with power are not particularly accountable.

Do you really think if the internet was architected by politicians or corporate suits rather than 'some nerds with power'that it would have turned out better?

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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I'm actually glad it's dead/dying. It was always going to be controlled by an elite group who answered to no one but themselves. They had the ability to monitor all of your transactions and if they didn't like you they could roll back or block your transactions. People keep saying oh this is proof crypto can't ever work because government. This was never a true crypto currency. It was just a private ledger tracking w…

And of course the trustworthiness of Facebook.

I think the others wanted to know what's going on with this project but in the end no sane person want's Facebook to have control over currency ("to move fast and break things") or even access to transaction data (it's proven FB can't be trusted with sensible data by now).

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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My fundamental issue is simple. Money, who owns it and how it moves around, is fundamental to our society. I don't want that power owned by a company who might decide one day, without warning or reason, to close my account.

You can take a company to court, but not a government. Imagine being a legitimate venezuelan businessman with an account in the US for example. Money is sort-of fundamental (it's one tool), and that's more so because today's fiat money is powered by guns. In the past, europe would have a multitude of coins being used concurrently with some of them dominating like the Florin. Its a recent development that governments…

You can absolutely take a government to court. What are you talking about?

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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The fate of Libra isn't tied to Visa/Mastercard's withdrawal. It's ultimately about whether there is a market for a new mechanism for international money transfers. As someone who runs a business that has (small) offices both in EU and North America, let me share a quick overview of the current state of things. When you want to transfer a non-trivial amount of money between 2 countries, you have likely received it in…

One potentially huge market is online payments and small transactions. If libra is embedded into the browser, millions of blogs could start charging for frictionless access to their content, and thousands of games would improve their experience and revenue. That s a huge and largely unserved area, unless you think that entering card numbers and private data with every spent penny is a good situation. I think Libra is…

The 'problem' you just described has nothing to do with crypto-currency as the 'solution'. Apple Pay is the most frictionless payment system I've used, can integrate with the browser, and attached to any of my credit cards.

Paying for 'bits' of content is already a thing, you can buy single article access on many of the newspaper websites today.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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The fate of Libra isn't tied to Visa/Mastercard's withdrawal. It's ultimately about whether there is a market for a new mechanism for international money transfers. As someone who runs a business that has (small) offices both in EU and North America, let me share a quick overview of the current state of things. When you want to transfer a non-trivial amount of money between 2 countries, you have likely received it in…

One potentially huge market is online payments and small transactions. If libra is embedded into the browser, millions of blogs could start charging for frictionless access to their content, and thousands of games would improve their experience and revenue. That s a huge and largely unserved area, unless you think that entering card numbers and private data with every spent penny is a good situation. I think Libra is…

Micropayments of this sort are one of those use cases that people have been trying to put into place forever, and they always founder on the fact that users hate them.

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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Money laundering and other criminal activities are a very profitable businesses that power an important sector of economy. If Bitcoin enables or facilitates them, it is far from what I would call useless. Also: it will not be outlawed everywhere, some country will jump on the opportunity. So you earn bitcoins in one place, legalize then in another one, where it is legal. It's not so easy to prevent this, I'd even cal…

Let's say, for the sake of argument that Ukraine legalizes BTC, while it's illegal everywhere else. What you think will happen: - Ukraine will make fat stacks from all the people who care about BTC. Crypto-libertarians will rejoice, issue fifty billion ICOs, and Ukraine's GDP will exceed that of the rest of the world. BTC will go to the moon, and anyone who didn't get on that train when its future was in doubt will b…

What a perfect example of a straw man argument you made! I just love when people tell me what they think I think!

No, hypothetical Ukraine will not issue fifty billion ICOs and its GDP will not exceed the rest of the world (btw it is rather ignorant to tie ICOs to bitcoin, they are completely different things).

What I think will happen in this hypothetical scenario, is that bitcoin will have a safe place in Ukraine where it can be legally turned in a very real cash USD, totally by an off-banking method. Then these USDs will be shipped to banks in Poland or Germany or Switzerland, which will accept it rather happily (as they usually do). Meanwhile, the rest of the world would continue using bitcoin for their day to day purposes, ignoring a worldwide ban. Some purposes will probably criminal [1], but many will have legal ones, especially in countries with failed fiat currency, like Venezuela or Zimbabwe. Because, you know, you can't really control a person who sells a pig to his neighbour and wants to have something REAL in return.

Should be mentioned, that if we pretend that just one country will legalize bitcoin, then it is more likely that this country will be the one least vulnerable to bank sanctions. Iran or North Korea are much more likely candidates than Ukraine.

Anyway, in reality, a worldwide ban is unlikely at this point, given the acceptance of bitcoin by too many jurisdictions already [2]. It's just a matter of time when it'll go to the moon and establish itself as the main world currency.

[1] In Russia all drug trade has moved online, facilitating sales with cryptocurrencies, check this investigation https://darknark.lenta.ru/ - and no Russian bank exchanges BTC for local currency. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country...

Re: Visa, Mastercard, Stripe, and eBay exit Facebook’s Libra project

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I'd argue the outcome of this will be that Facebook will launch their own payments infrastructure on top of WhatsApp. There was no need for crypto or a Libra association to begin with. According to the leaked Facebook all-hands audio, Facebook is already planning to launch payments in Mexico by end of 2019 ( https://qz.com/1719731/zuckerberg-confirms-facebook-payment-... ). I wouldn't be surprised if this goes extrem…

WhatsApp Pay's trial in India has been delayed yet again: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/whatsapp-pay-laun...

reason - 100% regulatory issues.

I would take that "2019" as "2020 or later."

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