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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by gamblor956 » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 7:43 AM UTC

geargrinder wrote: post #18

tedivm wrote: post #14

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The biggest flaw with the sequels is that they end up not ending- in the same way the Dune Messiah was a setup for Children of Dune, it seems that Heretics and Chapterhouse were leading up to the seventh book that Herbert died before writing.

His son Brian and Kevin J Anderson did write the last installment based on detailed notes from Frank Herbert, so at least the story is complete. While their writing is not as brilliant as Frank Herbert's, the books they wrote, mainly the prequels, have helped me understand just how big the original vision was and have helped me enjoy the sequels more. God Emperor is truly as masterpiece, but it took a couple of reads…

Correction: Brian and KJA had access to detailed notes from Frank Herbert, and used none of them in favor of KJA's "improvements" to the Dune mythos.

The same way KJA "improved" Star Wars.

His wife, incidentally the editor-in-chief of the publishing imprint that then owned the publishing rights to the Star Wars and Dune literary universes, is to blame for unleashing his word vomit on mankind.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by Lutzb » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 7:45 AM UTC

doc_gunthrop wrote: post #50

catalogia wrote: post #33

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There are some fan edits that improve the movie dramatically. My preference is "Alternative Edition Redux" . It used to be available archive.org, though I'm sure it's still floating around the net somewhere.

That was the version that combined the original theatrical release version, the director's cut, and a bunch of other scenes that were cut out. There's one scene that they put back in, toward the end, where Thufir Hawat pulls out his own heart plug; very emotional scene that IMO they should've kept in the original.

Maybe this is a case of false memory, but I am sure I have seen this scene before in a TV cut of the movie.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by hanoz » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 7:50 AM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #67

hanoz wrote: post #66

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This is my favourite film so I'm pretty tuned in to these phrases, and I've never heard anyone use any of them. I'm also pretty sure there's no "wheels within wheels" in it.

Dune is a book. The movie is just a horrible adaptation of that book.

Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie.

I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by avyeed_desa » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 7:59 AM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #47

song wrote: post #3

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Interestingly both dune and dune 2 were released around the same time and both are amazing. Dune 2 created the rts genre while Dune was a wonderful combination of adventure and strategy. For Dune, I'd recommend the CD version https://www.freegameempire.com/games/Dune-CD There's a great series of articles on Filfre about both games and the Dune universe https://www.filfre.net/2018/11/controlling-the-spice-part-1-...

And some nice drum and bass sampling/quoting here: DJ Aphrodite - Spice ( Of The Gods Remix ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Td5sSdbRQE

Also a Drum & Bass classic:

Paradox - A Certain Sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PeZ6YsbQ8

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by sgt101 » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 8:03 AM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #73

gamblor956 wrote: post #67

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Dune is a book. The movie is just a horrible adaptation of that book.

Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie. I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

>I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

there must be other people who believe that, but I've never met any of them.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 8:37 AM UTC

sli wrote: post #45

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #9

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> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. What an odd framing. True, perhaps, but what about from the 1984 movie? > "The spice must flow!" > "If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm" > "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." Fra…

> ... what catchphrases from LOTR were (are?) remotely commonplace? "And my axe!" was common enough for a while. Less so now but it's still around. LOTR memes that rely on single lines with varying popularity are pretty common but that's probably stretching it.

"My precioussss", "One does not simply walk into Mordor", "Well yes, but what about second lunch?", etc.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 8:49 AM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #73

gamblor956 wrote: post #67

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Dune is a book. The movie is just a horrible adaptation of that book.

Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie. I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

better in what ways? Even Lynch does not want to say he was attached to the movie after it came out.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by eikenberry » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 9:01 AM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #73

gamblor956 wrote: post #67

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Dune is a book. The movie is just a horrible adaptation of that book.

Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie. I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

You should listen to the audio book of it. I've read the entire series, seen the movie and mini-series and listened to the audio-books... and the audio-book is by far the best. They are the voice acting type, with multiple readers for the different voices and they do a wonderful job. Just talking about it makes me want to listen to it again, such a good rendition.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by johncoltrane » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 9:04 AM UTC

sgt101 wrote: post #75

hanoz wrote: post #73

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Ah, sorry. I'd somehow got it into my head that we were specifically talking about the movie. I do love the book too. But the movie is better.

>I do love the book too. But the movie is better. there must be other people who believe that, but I've never met any of them.

One more, here.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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Post by rolltiide » Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 9:14 AM UTC

johncoltrane wrote: post #79

sgt101 wrote: post #75

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>I do love the book too. But the movie is better. there must be other people who believe that, but I've never met any of them.

One more, here.

and another one

My dad also liked the movie and I’ve tried to be relatable to people his age, only to notice that I missed 1980s newsgroups and conventions where people dissed the movie adaptation.

maybe I’ll read the book.