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Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by twno1 »

mullingitover wrote: post #41

Command + f "sorry": 0 results Command + f "mistake": 0 results Command + f "apologize": 0 results They still aren't listening to a PR expert, and this is only going to throw gasoline on the fire. This blog post [1] counseling Burning Man back in their dumpster fire of pain when they switched to a lottery system is very instructional, Blizzard should be following it to the letter if they intend to get out of this hol…

And I immediately check blizzard cn website. They don't even has this announcement.

https://cn.news.blizzard.com/zh-cn

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by cjbprime »

thisisnotatest wrote: post #93
mullingitover wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll continue to play their games. Literally the first time I've seen this sentiment since the start of this debacle. Telling that it's not from a real account.

I'm surprised that you're surprised. Even ignoring Blizzard game players who don't follow the news, and ignoring (presumably Chinese) players that actually support the Chinese government over the Hong Kong protest movement, some percent of players are going to react by saying, "I don't agree with what Blizzard did, but I still like playing Overwatch/Hearthstone/Warcraft."

FWIW: Am a Masters league Starcraft 2 player and haven't wanted to log in since this news.

I'm sure there are people who "don't want politics in video games", but it seems like this kind of complete moral indifference is about the bar you have to hit to not be upset about this at the moment.

(And I don't find tonight's explanation sufficient.)

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by cjbprime »

chrismcb wrote: post #97
elliekelly wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What rule did the announcers break? The vague catch-all rule Blizzard used to justify banning Blitzchung only applies to players.

My understanding is they were hired by blizzard and supposedly encouraged the comment.

Yes, one of them said something like "go on and say those eight words then", referring to the slogan that Blitzchung then said while wearing the mask, and both were generally sounding amused.

However, it appears they had no idea he was showing up to the interview in a gas mask. Production for the event could have told them -- or simply canceled the interview any time after realizing -- and didn't. So the casters had to improvise, it's not fair to blame them as if they shared intent, rather than just wanting to keep a surprising live situation light-hearted and on the rails.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by dang »

chloerei wrote: post #105

I support Blizzard's decision, it kept the bottom line. I feel ridiculous, in order to support the riots in another country, some people were so passionate. I think this people are affected by anti-China sentiment. I write a post, tell everyone what happened in Hong Kong and try to persuade everyone not to make political opinions so easily, especially if a place is very far away from you. Stand with Hong Kong, but wh…

I agree with you that in the discussions of these issues on the Western internet sites, anti-China sentiment dominates and often blends with ignorance and prejudice. Unfortunately, if you post like you just did to HN, using inflammatory language like "I saw the hypocrisy of the Americans", you're guaranteed to take the thread further into nationalistic flamewar, and of course such language will be downvoted because it breaks HN's guidelines too (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). So if you're going to continue to post on HN, can you please make sure that your comments stay factual and neutral, and don't pour fuel on the fire? We ask the same of every user here.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by KhalilK »

taneq wrote: post #49
mullingitover wrote: post #41

Command + f "sorry": 0 results Command + f "mistake": 0 results Command + f "apologize": 0 results They still aren't listening to a PR expert, and this is only going to throw gasoline on the fire. This blog post [1] counseling Burning Man back in their dumpster fire of pain when they switched to a lottery system is very instructional, Blizzard should be following it to the letter if they intend to get out of this hol…

> They still aren't listening to a PR expert, and this is only going to throw gasoline on the fire. Of course, if they had listened to a PR expert and written a first-rate apology letter, then we'd be calling them out as insincere and saying it was just PR fluff, a la the StackExchange letter recently.

They were put in a lose-lose situation from the start.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

effingwewt wrote: post #88
bertil wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has to make a lot of decisions, some were soon after she joined. Not sure CEOs of social media company get involved in making that decision personally, rather than name people who would -- Pao might be an exception, though. From all the subreddits that were closed, I’d be hard-pressed to name one that I felt contributed to free speech.

She absolutely was intimately involved, a lot of her drama and changes were the reason I left that site for good. She is correct in her tweet, however. Also once upon a time reddit praised itself for free speech. It held itself to a higher standard... supposedly.

care to share the groups that were banned you disagreed with?

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by netsharc »

anonymousiam wrote: post #4

Why would Blizzard bother to lie about this? I guess they're trying to recover from all of the negative press, but it looks like they're just digging themselves into a deeper hole.

Maybe it's to sway people who are on the fence, if such a demographic actually exists. This statement might be enough for them to think "See, Blizzard isn't that bad, from now on I will assume the people still complaining are the wrong ones, and I will say 'Blizzard apologized, what more do you want?!?'.".

Maybe the CEO even thinks "you can't make everyone happy, at least I did something.". And in the back of his head he probably thinks "but make sure China is happy!".

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by kick »

anonimouse5t43w wrote: post #59
cpeterso wrote: post #45

Ellen Pao (former Reddit CEO): "Tech companies: We tolerate harassment and hate so we can enable political dissent, public squares, free speech Also tech companies: Censor the Hong Kong protestors and kill all their communication channels" https://twitter.com/ekp/status/1182710608887611394?s=21

Didn’t she ban a lot of subreddits?

She's mocking the free speech line in that tweet.
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