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Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by throwaway2048 »

anonimouse5t43w wrote: post #56
ixtli wrote: post #36

It’s extremely irresponsible for blizzard to host a massive platform for speech and pretend that platform exists in a vacuum outside of current events. (Read: politics.) In the same way that public platforms are dangerous when used for hate speech, they’re also dangerous when those advocating for positive change are banned from them. Whatever Blizzard set out to do, it’s exceptionally naive not to acknowledge that de…

FIFA also bans politics from its platform.

Blizzard dosen't give a shit about it being political speech, what they care about is that it might upset the Chinese Communist Party, and their profits in the process.

https://i.imgur.com/xQfRoPa.jpg

https://kotaku.com/college-hearthstone-players-who-held-up-f...

Them pretending otherwise is a complete, outright lie.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by minimaxir »

66434throwaway wrote: post #77
mullingitover wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll continue to play their games. Literally the first time I've seen this sentiment since the start of this debacle. Telling that it's not from a real account.

If you go to the classicwow subreddit, most of the posters have moved on and are even making fun of this issue, saying it’s now karma whoring.

This is the thread on /r/classicwow: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/dgnuex/regardin...

Anyone who is saying the statement is sufficient is getting downvoted to the point the comment is hidden.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by thisisnotatest »

mullingitover wrote: post #58
anonimouse5t43w wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are. Saying any of those words and they would have upset their Chinese fans, and then they would have two holes. I think Blizzard’s post is more than fair. Both the player and announcers knowingly broke the rules. I’ll continue to play their games.

> I’ll continue to play their games. Literally the first time I've seen this sentiment since the start of this debacle. Telling that it's not from a real account.

I'm surprised that you're surprised. Even ignoring Blizzard game players who don't follow the news, and ignoring (presumably Chinese) players that actually support the Chinese government over the Hong Kong protest movement, some percent of players are going to react by saying, "I don't agree with what Blizzard did, but I still like playing Overwatch/Hearthstone/Warcraft."

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by 0_gravitas »

TillE wrote: post #83
66434throwaway wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to the classicwow subreddit, most of the posters have moved on and are even making fun of this issue, saying it’s now karma whoring.

If you go to any other Blizzard-/games-related subreddit, there are hundreds of furious comments. Also I just checked r/classicwow and they're furious too.

me thinks i smell some astroturfing from gp

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by cm2012 »

jimmyvalmer wrote: post #89
wpietri wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that "our profit is more important than your people dying" is also moralizing, right?

You can argue Blizzard puts profits over free expression (every company does to varying degrees). It's absurd to say the kid's obtuse outburst, if left uncensured, saves lives.

It's really not. If no one makes a stink about HK publically, China can get away with awful things there. You can't be shy about calling out tyrants.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by chrismcb »

elliekelly wrote: post #87
anonimouse5t43w wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are. Saying any of those words and they would have upset their Chinese fans, and then they would have two holes. I think Blizzard’s post is more than fair. Both the player and announcers knowingly broke the rules. I’ll continue to play their games.

What rule did the announcers break? The vague catch-all rule Blizzard used to justify banning Blitzchung only applies to players.

My understanding is they were hired by blizzard and supposedly encouraged the comment.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by mirimir »

That piece is for sure loaded with weasel wording.

But on the other hand, blitzchung might have said or done many things during his segment. And just about everyone who is upset about Blizzard booting blitzchung here would demand that they boot him for at least some of those. Say, if he had ranted about gender issues, for example.

As always, perceptions depend on whose ox is getting gored.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by FreezerburnV »

mullingitover wrote: post #58
anonimouse5t43w wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are. Saying any of those words and they would have upset their Chinese fans, and then they would have two holes. I think Blizzard’s post is more than fair. Both the player and announcers knowingly broke the rules. I’ll continue to play their games.

> I’ll continue to play their games. Literally the first time I've seen this sentiment since the start of this debacle. Telling that it's not from a real account.

Here's my real account saying: I'm continuing to play Overwatch. The Overwatch developers aren't responsible for this mess. And I'm trying to get good enough to make it to at least the semi-pro level, which means taking time off for all of this to blow over and people to forget means I'm severely hampering my efforts to achieve that goal. (even a week off is going to harm my gameplay disproportionately) I can't just play something else, other games aren't interesting enough to me to try and make it to a high level of play.

I can only hope that Blizzard somehow unwedges the shoe from their mouth that they're madly chewing on and figure out some way to handle things better.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Post by aaron695 »

What's people issue here?

If he talked about the sanctity of marriage and how under a christian system gay people should not be allow to marry and how they will go to christian hell..... would we be as equally outraged they got fired over inserting free speech into a sporting tournament?

Or is this about how we expect corporations to follow our morals?

Which as a billion Westeners is mostly pro Hong Kong, which as a billion Chinese mostly pro China, on this issue.

There's a good argument corporations should be apolitical and amoral on issues outside their domain, which in this direct case Blizzard is doing.

I need evidence they allow the opposite, pro China speech, to be outraged here.

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