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Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#81

Summary of changes made: * Blitzchung will receive all his prize money. * Bliztchung's suspension from pro play halved to 6 months * Casters will now be allowed to cast Blizzard events after 6 months Key statements: * In hindsight, our process wasn’t adequate, and we reacted too quickly * The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in Chi…

Heh, feels like reading Blizzard patch notes!

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#82

Why would Blizzard bother to lie about this? I guess they're trying to recover from all of the negative press, but it looks like they're just digging themselves into a deeper hole.

The lies are weird. They're claiming they would have snapped off a 12 month ban for saying any political slogan, which is...insane. Wildly disproportionate. Not even a little plausible.

There's no explanation for Blizzard's actions that does not include feared pressure from China, and it's just insulting for them to claim otherwise.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll continue to play their games. Literally the first time I've seen this sentiment since the start of this debacle. Telling that it's not from a real account.

If you go to the classicwow subreddit, most of the posters have moved on and are even making fun of this issue, saying it’s now karma whoring.

If you go to any other Blizzard-/games-related subreddit, there are hundreds of furious comments.

Also I just checked r/classicwow and they're furious too.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#84

Command + f "sorry": 0 results Command + f "mistake": 0 results Command + f "apologize": 0 results They still aren't listening to a PR expert, and this is only going to throw gasoline on the fire. This blog post [1] counseling Burning Man back in their dumpster fire of pain when they switched to a lottery system is very instructional, Blizzard should be following it to the letter if they intend to get out of this hol…

I think they are. Saying any of those words and they would have upset their Chinese fans, and then they would have two holes. I think Blizzard’s post is more than fair. Both the player and announcers knowingly broke the rules. I’ll continue to play their games.

"If we don't like anything you've done for any reason we can punish you in any way we see fit" is a pretty terrible rule.

It exists for situations exactly like this so they can just do whatever they want and justify it.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#86

> The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision. Needless to say, this line has generated a very large amount of snark on social media.

I don't see any way they could have addressed that without the hysteria still spinning it negatively. Because it's not like they mention that out of nowhere: They are directly referring to accusations that they were pressured into shutting that particular player down by the Chinese government. There's a whole lot of people out there who will not be satisfied with any answer contradicting that narrative. Heck, even if…

> I don't see any way they could have addressed that without the hysteria still spinning it negatively.

> There's a whole lot of people out there who will not be satisfied with any answer contradicting that narrative.

> Heck, even if Blizzard went out there and would fully admit "The Chinese government pressured us to shut this particular player down", then people would complain how Blizzard could ever buckle to those demands in the first place.

Exactly. They did a shit thing and now there's shit on their face, of course it's going to be a negative outcome. There isn't always magic words they can say to make everything better again.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#87

Command + f "sorry": 0 results Command + f "mistake": 0 results Command + f "apologize": 0 results They still aren't listening to a PR expert, and this is only going to throw gasoline on the fire. This blog post [1] counseling Burning Man back in their dumpster fire of pain when they switched to a lottery system is very instructional, Blizzard should be following it to the letter if they intend to get out of this hol…

I think they are. Saying any of those words and they would have upset their Chinese fans, and then they would have two holes. I think Blizzard’s post is more than fair. Both the player and announcers knowingly broke the rules. I’ll continue to play their games.

What rule did the announcers break? The vague catch-all rule Blizzard used to justify banning Blitzchung only applies to players.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn’t she ban a lot of subreddits?

Reddit has to make a lot of decisions, some were soon after she joined. Not sure CEOs of social media company get involved in making that decision personally, rather than name people who would -- Pao might be an exception, though. From all the subreddits that were closed, I’d be hard-pressed to name one that I felt contributed to free speech.

She absolutely was intimately involved, a lot of her drama and changes were the reason I left that site for good.

She is correct in her tweet, however.

Also once upon a time reddit praised itself for free speech. It held itself to a higher standard... supposedly.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

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post #80

Wish bigwigs would keep it brief and to the point. This was all I need to hear: > official broadcasts [should] remain focused on the game and are not a > platform for divisive social or political views. Same goes with NFL and the kneeling. Just say "hey, we're a business" and leave it at that. Hate all the moralizing.

You do realize that "our profit is more important than your people dying" is also moralizing, right?

You can argue Blizzard puts profits over free expression (every company does to varying degrees). It's absurd to say the kid's obtuse outburst, if left uncensured, saves lives.

Re: Regarding Last Weekend’s Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament

#90

Command + f "sorry": 0 results Command + f "mistake": 0 results Command + f "apologize": 0 results They still aren't listening to a PR expert, and this is only going to throw gasoline on the fire. This blog post [1] counseling Burning Man back in their dumpster fire of pain when they switched to a lottery system is very instructional, Blizzard should be following it to the letter if they intend to get out of this hol…

Frankly, I believe that following your advice would be completely counterproductive for them. If Trump and recent politics have proven anything to me it's that when you are the focus of media attention, admitting fault and apologizing is always the wrong thing to do from a PR point of view. Apologizing never wins anyone over, but it does alienate your supporters.

It's unfortunate, and it's counterintuitive because it's not what makes sense in everyday life. But a media circus is not everyday life.

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