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Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)

It has a simple and pleasant native (non-web) interface that works consistently across devices and comes with the OS. It doesn't have many features, but all I want is to send, receive and organize e-mail in folders. I don't need a splash/welcome screen, extensions or built-in calendar/reminders. Honestly, I wish more apps were like this.

> Honestly, I wish more apps were like this.

It's really hard to find apps like that, and I often feel like it's getting harder as time goes on.

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very fast (native app), it supports practically every type of mail account ever, everything can be stored locally (great for offline batch processing of emails), and there are keyboard shortcuts for everything. It takes a bit of customization to get a layout that works nicely for my workflow (I use the classic layout). There are a bunch of other 'efficient' mail apps, but if you just need basic features and don'…

I’ve never figured out how to force Apple Mail to download ALL attachments. How do I do this? In my experience it never downloads ALL of them and when you’re offline and click on a very old message it will not have the attachment unless you go online.

You can set this preference by going to the Mail menu > Preferences > Accounts. Select the account you want to adjust on the left, and in the first "Account Information" tab, there should be a pop-up for Download Attachments: [All, Recent, None]. The default for newly added accounts is "Recent".

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Not surprising. The new Podcasts app deleted years of downloaded podcasts when I updated, including a lot that are no longer hosted on the web. For some reason the "sensible default" in the new app is to delete anything beyond the most recent ten episodes. Now I need to remember to restore from backup before it gets overwritten, heh.

> For some reason

Giving you the other side of this: Podcasts was essentially a disk-space-leak made app, if you subscribed to any podcasts that you never actually listened to (but still listened to others, and therefore regularly opened the app.) It would just pile up new unplayed episodes forever, eventually taking up tens of GBs of space, on a device that doesn't have all that much space to spare.

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Not surprising. The new Podcasts app deleted years of downloaded podcasts when I updated, including a lot that are no longer hosted on the web. For some reason the "sensible default" in the new app is to delete anything beyond the most recent ten episodes. Now I need to remember to restore from backup before it gets overwritten, heh.

Oof! Thanks for the warning. I care about my podcast archives and I suppose this means I should figure some alternative out. I think most podcast apps don’t bother keeping the downloads around long-term.

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps if the mail database were blockchained or at least merkle tree linked or otherwise metadata secured.

Or just backed up.

A hash tree for email actually seems like a semi-decent idea for verifying integrity of a synced mailbox.

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)

It’s built in, and it’s always worked fine. What do you recommend instead?

I’m not opposed to switching but everything looks pretty lousy, in terms of workflow and integration, and if I have to live with “pretty lousy”, then “zero cost” and “mainstream first-party offering” seem to be the way to go.

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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good LORD if this is true how are we supposed to trust apple with our information? BTW since updating my iPhone & iPad to iOS 13, and my desktop to MacOS 10.15, the Notes app does not propagate changes unless I force-quit the app and then restart it. Entering a new note, and quitting the app, the new note does not propagate to my other devices. If I re-open the Notes app then the update happens. WTF A walled garden e…

A walled garden’s raison d’être is to ensure that the garden’s owner makes as much money as possible.

Re: Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15

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post #23

Not surprising. The new Podcasts app deleted years of downloaded podcasts when I updated, including a lot that are no longer hosted on the web. For some reason the "sensible default" in the new app is to delete anything beyond the most recent ten episodes. Now I need to remember to restore from backup before it gets overwritten, heh.

> For some reason Giving you the other side of this: Podcasts was essentially a disk-space-leak made app, if you subscribed to any podcasts that you never actually listened to (but still listened to others, and therefore regularly opened the app.) It would just pile up new unplayed episodes forever, eventually taking up tens of GBs of space, on a device that doesn't have all that much space to spare.

Doesn't excuse user data loss
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