Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)
It’s the built-in email client.
And there’s nothing particularly wrong or bad about it (until now, maybe).
Mail Data Loss in macOS 10.15
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#12Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)
It's very fast (native app), it supports practically every type of mail account ever, everything can be stored locally (great for offline batch processing of emails), and there are keyboard shortcuts for everything. It takes a bit of customization to get a layout that works nicely for my workflow (I use the classic layout). There are a bunch of other 'efficient' mail apps, but if you just need basic features and don'…
I’ve never figured out how to force Apple Mail to download ALL attachments. How do I do this? In my experience it never downloads ALL of them and when you’re offline and click on a very old message it will not have the attachment unless you go online.
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#13good LORD if this is true how are we supposed to trust apple with our information? BTW since updating my iPhone & iPad to iOS 13, and my desktop to MacOS 10.15, the Notes app does not propagate changes unless I force-quit the app and then restart it. Entering a new note, and quitting the app, the new note does not propagate to my other devices. If I re-open the Notes app then the update happens. WTF A walled garden e…
I've also had issues with the iOS 13 on an iPhone X. Mail notifications appear but the messages don't download for 30+ seconds, and sometimes notifications don't disappear.
Other people are also having issues with mail on iOS: https://twitter.com/CliffordAsness/status/118240716828649472...
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#14Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)
It has a simple and pleasant native (non-web) interface that works consistently across devices and comes with the OS. It doesn't have many features, but all I want is to send, receive and organize e-mail in folders. I don't need a splash/welcome screen, extensions or built-in calendar/reminders. Honestly, I wish more apps were like this.
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#15Not surprising. The new Podcasts app deleted years of downloaded podcasts when I updated, including a lot that are no longer hosted on the web. For some reason the "sensible default" in the new app is to delete anything beyond the most recent ten episodes. Now I need to remember to restore from backup before it gets overwritten, heh.
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#16I don't know if Apple has changed the format again, but in the past at least it seemed reasonably sane and filesystem-based:
http://mike.laiosa.org/2009/03/01/emlx.html
https://wiki.fileformat.com/email/emlx/
It doesn't seem that hard to write some more tools to manipulate them.
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#17Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)
1. It comes in the box.
2. It allows me to have 7 inboxes routed to one view
3. It's pretty fast.
4. While "boring", It usually" just works.
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#18good LORD if this is true how are we supposed to trust apple with our information? BTW since updating my iPhone & iPad to iOS 13, and my desktop to MacOS 10.15, the Notes app does not propagate changes unless I force-quit the app and then restart it. Entering a new note, and quitting the app, the new note does not propagate to my other devices. If I re-open the Notes app then the update happens. WTF A walled garden e…
I've also had issues with the iOS 13 on an iPhone X. Mail notifications appear but the messages don't download for 30+ seconds, and sometimes notifications don't disappear. Other people are also having issues with mail on iOS: https://twitter.com/CliffordAsness/status/118240716828649472...
Just got an 11 Pro and some notifications don’t vibrate, other notifications no longer show up even though they have permissions to and are set to. Sometimes iMessages won’t vibrate either.
It’s a mess and I can’t trust my phone to notify me. Now I have to constantly be checking it
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've also had issues with the iOS 13 on an iPhone X. Mail notifications appear but the messages don't download for 30+ seconds, and sometimes notifications don't disappear. Other people are also having issues with mail on iOS: https://twitter.com/CliffordAsness/status/118240716828649472...
Just got an 11 Pro and some notifications don’t vibrate, other notifications no longer show up even though they have permissions to and are set to. Sometimes iMessages won’t vibrate either. It’s a mess and I can’t trust my phone to notify me. Now I have to constantly be checking it
Add in that alarms randomly don't fire, or fire at the wrong volume. I'm using my old phone as my clock and timer. I wonder if it's related to the bonkers notification settings.
Either way, disaster of a phone, and disaster of an OS.
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#20Why do people use Mail? (genuine question)
Native and I like it's rules better than Thunderbird.