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Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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>In addition to Google’s request in the Charleston area, mega farms in central South Carolina have been under scrutiny over the amount of groundwater they use to irrigate crops each summer. 549 million gallons is about 1685 acre feet, which isn't very much irrigation water. South Carolina golf courses alone use 9.7 million gallons/day of groundwater for irrigation or 3,540 million gallons per year. SC golf courses us…

> South Carolina golf courses alone use 9.7 million gallons/day of groundwater for irrigation or 3,540 million gallons per year. SC golf courses use a combined total of groundwater and surface water of 14,991 millon gallons per year.

That's insane

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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Are you saying the average person uses 36,600 gal per year? That seems very high.

549mil gallons allowed to use in a year divided by 365 days equals 1,504,109 daily average for google (let's round to 1.5mil). USGS estimates 80-100 gallons per American per day. 1,500,000 google's daily average water use / 100 gallons per American per day = 15,000 Google will use roughly the equivalent of 15,000 Americans worth of daily water. Further math: 100 gallons per American per day x 365 days = 36,500 per pe…

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Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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If this was a rubber gasket plant in South Carolina getting a water permit, it would never have hit the news.

Do you have any evidence for this claim? Does comparing two separate things automatically make them equivalent? On the flip side, when Foxconn wanted 7 million gallons of water each day from Lake Michigan for it's manufacturing plant, it hit the news. - https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-foxconn-air-p...

How many news about getting water permit you heard last month? How many water permits are issued daily in the country?

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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post #61
post #57

>In addition to Google’s request in the Charleston area, mega farms in central South Carolina have been under scrutiny over the amount of groundwater they use to irrigate crops each summer. 549 million gallons is about 1685 acre feet, which isn't very much irrigation water. South Carolina golf courses alone use 9.7 million gallons/day of groundwater for irrigation or 3,540 million gallons per year. SC golf courses us…

> South Carolina golf courses alone use 9.7 million gallons/day of groundwater for irrigation or 3,540 million gallons per year. SC golf courses use a combined total of groundwater and surface water of 14,991 millon gallons per year. That's insane

SC has an area of 32,000 square miles or 20,480,000 acres. The average annual rainfall is about 4 feet. So that is about 80 million acre-feet of precipitation. Converting from acre feet to gallons gives 26,000,000 million gallons of rainfall annually. Depending on hurricanes, it could be more, much more.

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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post #51

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This water will be used in evaporative coolers. There won't be warmed water to return. The water gets recycled 50-100 times, and each time a small percentage evaporates into a cloud. The cloud really does make clouds.

What’s stopping the collection and re-condensation of the evaporated water, which can then be returned to the river.

So.. cloud formation then rain?

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying the average person uses 36,600 gal per year? That seems very high.

I'm not surprised by that number. Showering, flushing, washing dishes uses a lot of water

Yep. Bathing and flush toilets are huge.

It's crazy that potable water is used to flush toilets.

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence for this claim? Does comparing two separate things automatically make them equivalent? On the flip side, when Foxconn wanted 7 million gallons of water each day from Lake Michigan for it's manufacturing plant, it hit the news. - https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-foxconn-air-p...

How many news about getting water permit you heard last month? How many water permits are issued daily in the country?

So, it's safe to assume that you have no evidence?

The article itself links to another article they wrote on the usage of groundwater from mega farms. I don't know the answers to your questions because I don't track those things. I do have the ability to search Google and prove your initial claim wrong (before you moved the goalposts).

- Here's an article from 4 days ago about an unrelated project [1]

- And one from 3 days ago on a different project [2]

- Here's a different article from today about another project[3]

- One from last week in a different state [4]

[1] http://www.chroniclenewspaper.com/news/local-news/county-att...

[2] https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/401-water-quality-certific...

[3] https://www.enr.com/blogs/12-california-views/post/47743-cal...

[4] https://www.duncanbanner.com/oklahoma/news/gravel-mining-per...

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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In your opinion what differentiates the two?

One of them is illegal.

Once you start lobbying/influencing what laws exist, you forfeit the right to justify your actions purely on what's legal.

Mainly: if you spend large amounts of money to stop an action becoming illegal or to make it legal, then you can't justify the action by saying "it's legal" without also justifying why it should be legal - given that you just assisted create a law. Amoral actors should not be allowed to control the legal system that keeps them in line.

Re: Google gets OK to siphon water for South Carolina plant

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One of them is illegal.

Once you start lobbying/influencing what laws exist, you forfeit the right to justify your actions purely on what's legal. Mainly: if you spend large amounts of money to stop an action becoming illegal or to make it legal, then you can't justify the action by saying "it's legal" without also justifying why it should be legal - given that you just assisted create a law. Amoral actors should not be allowed to control t…

Is there some evidence that Google has been a significant force lobbying in favor of the laws that make lobbying legal?
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