Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
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#3(full disclosure I'm referenced towards the end)
Re: Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
#4how does this relate to tools like TLA+? coq?
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Alloy comes from the Z line of “systems are basically giant relational algebra problems”, while TLA+ comes from the LTL line of “systems are basically giant temporal logic problems”, which leads to a lot of fundamental differences between them. They also had different design philosophies: Jackson wanted a language that was easy to build tooling for, Lamport wanted a language that was easy to express complex logic in.
One consequence of this is that Alloy is a much smaller language: you can fit the entire syntax on a single sheet. It's also much easier in TLA+ to write a spec that you can't model-check, while with Alloy you have to be actively trying. It’s also impossible to write an unbound model in Alloy, so you’re guaranteed that every spec is over a finite state space. Which gets rid of the common TLA+ runtime problem of “is this taking a long time because it’s a big state space or because it’s an infinite state space".
Re tooling: Alloy converts to SAT, which makes model checking much, much faster. Specs that would take minutes to check in TLA+ take less than a second in Alloy. Being able to model-find as well as model-check is really nice, as is the ability to generate multiple counter/examples. The visualizer is really useful, too, especially for showing counterexamples to nontech folk. But the thing I honestly miss most when working in TLA+ is the REPL. It’s not the best REPL, but it’s a hell of a lot better than no REPL.
Okay, so drawbacks: Alloy doesn’t have an inbuilt notion of time. You have to add it in as a sequence sig. This means you can’t study liveness properties or deadlocks or anything like that. It also makes simulating concurrency awkward. This isn’t a huge problem if you have simple interactions or only one structure that’s changing, but the more “timelike” the problem gets, the worse Alloy becomes at handling it.
Less fundamental but still a big problem I keep having: no good iteration or recursion. Transitive closure is pretty nice but it’s not powerful enough. For example:
sig node {edge: set Node}
Is N1 connected to N2? Easy, just do `N1 in N2^.edge`. Through which nodes does N1 connect to N2? That's much harder.The biggest problem with Alloy adoption, though, is social: there’s no comprehensive online documentation. If you want to learn it you have to buy _Software Abstractions_. Fantastic book but not something that’s especially convenient, and it doesn't cover newer features. We're working on changing this, but it will be a while before we have comprehensive online documentation available.
Which one is more appropriate to use really depends on your problem. As a very, very, VERY rough rule of thumb: TLA+ is best you're most interested in the dynamics of a system: the algorithms, the concurrency, etc. Alloy is best when you're most interested in the statics of a system: the requirements, the data relationships, the ontology, etc. My standard demos for showcasing TLA+ are concurrent transfers and trading platforms, while my standard demos for Alloy are access policies and itemized billing. You can use each in the other's niche, too (see Zave's work on Chord), so it's not a stark division.
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(Since writing that post, we're a few steps closer to having online documentation, and in the next couple of weeks or so I'll be running some first drafts past the rest of the team.)
Coq, by contrast, is a full theorem prover. I'm not experienced with it, but from my understanding it's mostly used in programming to prove things at a low level, where you're directly synthesizing code. Alloy is much higher level, relying on you to do the translations to code yourself. The upside is you don't need to know how to write mathematical proofs to use it, you just hit the "check model" button and it takes care of all of that for you.
If you want to see an example of Alloy in practice, I recently wrote a tutorial on using it to formally verify that your database migrations are safe: https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/formally-modeling-migration...
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#5I think Alloy was mentioned at the end, but not really compared to LEAN.
Re: Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
#6Last week Microsoft Research posted an interesting talk by Kevin Buzzard [1] from Imperial College London about how he wants to formalize all mathematics with theorem provers. He's currently using LEAN [2]. Half of the talk is a discussion of the challenges he's faced convincing other mathematicians that this is valuable, and the other half is about his success using LEAN as a tool to teach undergraduates about forma…
Re: Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
#7Last week Microsoft Research posted an interesting talk by Kevin Buzzard [1] from Imperial College London about how he wants to formalize all mathematics with theorem provers. He's currently using LEAN [2]. Half of the talk is a discussion of the challenges he's faced convincing other mathematicians that this is valuable, and the other half is about his success using LEAN as a tool to teach undergraduates about forma…
Also a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20909404
It's an excellent talk. I couldn't stop watching it.
Re: Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
#8There was a fantastic talk at strangeloop this year on Alloy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvNRlE4E9QQ . The speaker used it to find a serious security bug in their live code and a feature interaction bug in their UI that had meant they had been writing broken code for the past _year_. (full disclosure I'm referenced towards the end)
Re: Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
#9how does this relate to tools like TLA+? coq?
Coq is a proof assistant (and dependently typed programming language); more aimed at theorems.
Re: Alloy is a language for describing structures and a tool for exploring them
#10how does this relate to tools like TLA+? coq?
Re TLA+, I'll copying my response from the last time Alloy was linked here: --- Alloy comes from the Z line of “systems are basically giant relational algebra problems”, while TLA+ comes from the LTL line of “systems are basically giant temporal logic problems”, which leads to a lot of fundamental differences between them. They also had different design philosophies: Jackson wanted a language that was easy to build t…
Edit: one of the other things I disliked about it was the GUI (it's Swing, IIRC). http://alloytools.org/workshop/slides/cunha-alloy.pdf looks pretty cool and should probably be the future interface for the tool.