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The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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If you're concerned with how guilty each individual consumer in a country should feel look at per capita emissions. If you're interested in stopping climate change effectively look at total emissions.

What if you're just interested in pushing a specific agenta.

It’s certainly notable how she never directs her anger at China or India, but reserves it for Western countries only. She has a very white-centric view of the world.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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From a global perspective, awarding two European writers yet again is just a failure. From a purely literary perspective, Handke is a great and influential writer, who was a hot candidate for a long time. For his work, I think the award is justified. On a personal level, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse, he held a eulogy for a war criminal, was known for cursing and berating his audience, ... If he still sho…

> Handke is a great and influential writer I have couple of free weekends coming up. which book should read ?

Of course "Die Angst des Tormanns beim Elfmeter"

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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I will see Greta in Denver Friday afternoon at a climate rally. She is young and a voice of her generation. Many future possibilities for her and repairing the climate crisis. I respect the Nobels decision to award the prize to this peace broker. So many global issues that need attention.

Are you talking about Greta Thunberg, I would think so, I don't know enough about her, what do you recommend from her? I fail to see what or why she is important, we are past good speech in terms of ecology, what actions does she recommends?

Not sure on specific action, but her UN speech on climate change evokes a cultural of change https://time.com/5695968/fatboy-slim-greta-thunberg-united-n...

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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Considering Trump made the decision not to attack Iran and start WWIII after Iran downed a US drone (despite immense pressure from neocons like Bolton), Trump actually deserves a little credit for being a relatively peaceful president. He hasn't started any new conflicts and just recently started pulling US troops out of Syria. Can't say that for his predicessors. I understand that people don't like Trump due to his…

> Trump made the decision not to attack Iran and start WWIII after Iran downed a US drone > He hasn't started any new conflicts He has started a (completely unnecessary, in the opinion of almost everybody) conflict with Iran. The violation of the treaty and the sanctions are an act of economic war- which is much cheaper and less bloody than a military attack, but almost equally devastating for the victim. Trump is ve…

Hey, I agree with you. I'm not a fan of economic sanctions (especially as an American living in Russia).

Also, I'm not suggesting Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize, just a little credit for showing constraint.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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I guess I should of expected down votes. People's disdane for Trump is often visceral instead of logical (similar to people's feelings on Obama). But you know, sometimes people/orgs/etc that you don't like or support make some good decisions. But if you "feel" good about down voting, then go for it. I'll stick to the facts.

It doesn't help your case to just try and pretend you're logical and everyone else is just biased. The situation in Iran has been actively built up by Trump, partly through his hiring and support of John Bolton - one of the architects of the foreign policy disaster of the Bush years. Partly by completely unnecessarily walking away from the JCPOA against all the lobbying of his allies. Trump has been actively making t…

Fair enough. But he's still started fewer hot wars than Obama.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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I will see Greta in Denver Friday afternoon at a climate rally. She is young and a voice of her generation. Many future possibilities for her and repairing the climate crisis. I respect the Nobels decision to award the prize to this peace broker. So many global issues that need attention.

If she wants to make a difference her next speech will be delivered in Beijing, not Denver. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di... for why.

She happens to be in the US at the moment and doesn't fly due to environmental concerns. Besides, her physical presence is irrelevant in these times of global communication networks..

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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> Trump made the decision not to attack Iran and start WWIII after Iran downed a US drone > He hasn't started any new conflicts He has started a (completely unnecessary, in the opinion of almost everybody) conflict with Iran. The violation of the treaty and the sanctions are an act of economic war- which is much cheaper and less bloody than a military attack, but almost equally devastating for the victim. Trump is ve…

Hey, I agree with you. I'm not a fan of economic sanctions (especially as an American living in Russia). Also, I'm not suggesting Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize, just a little credit for showing constraint.

He's not showing restraint. He's trying to get what he wants without spending money, risking his ratings, and making the world notice. He's showing as much restraint as someone who, to avoid making noise, prefers strangling to shooting.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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The Nobel Peace Prize was greatly devalued when it was given to Obama in the midst of bombing other countries.

Does anyone have an explanation of why Obama deserved to receive it?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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The Nobel Peace Prize was greatly devalued when it was given to Obama in the midst of bombing other countries. Does anyone have an explanation of why Obama deserved to receive it?

Ang San Suu Chi, Kissinger, Yasser Arafat, and Cordell Hull raised no eyebrows then?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2019

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post #88

The Nobel Peace Prize was greatly devalued when it was given to Obama in the midst of bombing other countries. Does anyone have an explanation of why Obama deserved to receive it?

Hmm I've actually thought about that for a long time and I think the prize was in a way for the American people not for the war but peace within the society (or so we though) in electing a black president who went on to take action to get the America/World out of recession wanting change..There is zero evidence of what I'm saying by the way complete speculation, but that's why I believe the prize was given to him overzealously. If I recall Obama himself felt strange about the prize and was taken aback. He considered not picking it up and had his staff ask if he could skip the ceremony.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960

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