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Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by lolc »

Cladode wrote: post #60
submeta wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you keep your notes in files, what naming convention do you apply? I am in the process of moving away from proprietary note taking tools like AskSam (more than 15 years ago on a Windows machine), Evernote, Bear Writer and some more). Got a long list of legacy systems that I want to migrate to markdown / file based system. I keep date stamping files like so: `yyyy-mm-dd_topic-subtopic-subsub`

That's a good question. I tried a variety of options, but it stabilised on something that could be termed "micro-summary of context as file name". Example: - giraffes.html - giraffes_in_history.html - natural_predators_of_giraffes.html - grade_inflation.html - graffiti.html - genghis_khan.html - grassroots_lobbying.html Since all my Zettel are version controlled anyway, I don't see the point of tracking dates/times i…

Thanks! That was really helpful to me in understanding how it works. That implementation shows the concept very well.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by bryankam »

I wrote this article. Thanks very much for posting it here and for everyone who read/commented/corrected me :) It's also great to hear about the other projects in this area, so thanks again!

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by elasticdog »

mooze wrote: post #32

If you liked this idea, give TiddlyWiki ( https://tiddlywiki.com/ ) a go - it was built on similar premises.

Tiddlywiki is what I use to manage my own personal Zettelkasten as well; it's pretty well suited for the task. There's a bit of ugliness when renaming Tiddlers, but for a lot of inter-related topics, I add an automatically-generated list of backlinks like this:

  !!!! Backlinks
  >

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by submeta »

Cladode wrote: post #60
submeta wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you keep your notes in files, what naming convention do you apply? I am in the process of moving away from proprietary note taking tools like AskSam (more than 15 years ago on a Windows machine), Evernote, Bear Writer and some more). Got a long list of legacy systems that I want to migrate to markdown / file based system. I keep date stamping files like so: `yyyy-mm-dd_topic-subtopic-subsub`

That's a good question. I tried a variety of options, but it stabilised on something that could be termed "micro-summary of context as file name". Example: - giraffes.html - giraffes_in_history.html - natural_predators_of_giraffes.html - grade_inflation.html - graffiti.html - genghis_khan.html - grassroots_lobbying.html Since all my Zettel are version controlled anyway, I don't see the point of tracking dates/times i…

Thanks for the detailed answer. Very helpful tips.

Regarding timestamps: I have a Python script triggered by Alfred App on my Mac. The script creates markdown files based on a template. The template has a header section with helpful infos like `Created: yyyy-mm-dd`.

Here is my template (with filled out placeholders):

```

Created: Fri, 2019-10-11 12:27:18

Title: BOOK - METAPHYSICS - ARISTOTELES

Author: Ugur

FileID: fid-20191011-122718-440741

Base Header Level: 2

Tags: #ethics #philosohy

[%Title]

{{TOC}}

# WRITEHERE

```

This is a markdown template that can be rendered by `iA Writer`.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by cbau »

charliepark wrote: post #51
cbau wrote: post #30

I actually was just at a small meetup for people in the SF Bay Area who are building memex's. The Zettelkasten was a common theme in several of the projects people were working on. Here are my notes from the event for anyone interested: http://ceasarbautista.com/posts/memex_meetup_2.html There are a couple projects that came up that were loosely based on the Zettelkasten: - IdeaFlow by Jacob Cole - Roam Research by C…

Thank you for blogging your notes on it! Seems like an interesting meetup. How did you find out about it?

Pure chance. A mutual friend knew about my project and invited me to the first meetup, which happened a couple months ago.

We were hoping this second one would allow us to do deeper critques than the first, which was paced more quickly, but somehow none of us got more than 20 minutes to talk about our projects (which is why my notes are so short).

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by cbau »

emmanueloga_ wrote: post #39
cbau wrote: post #30

I actually was just at a small meetup for people in the SF Bay Area who are building memex's. The Zettelkasten was a common theme in several of the projects people were working on. Here are my notes from the event for anyone interested: http://ceasarbautista.com/posts/memex_meetup_2.html There are a couple projects that came up that were loosely based on the Zettelkasten: - IdeaFlow by Jacob Cole - Roam Research by C…

Cool recap. From your article: > Is there a general interchange format for these systems? I don't understand why none of these people is using RDF. Seems like a perfect technology for a memex.

I've never heard of it! I will check it out. Have you seen it used successfully?

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by apostacy »

kristiandupont wrote: post #42

I must, as I always do, bring up my favorite editor Code Browser which works for this to some degree: http://tibleiz.net/code-browser/ I've been using it for some 15 years and I don't think I will ever leave it. I do wish that other editors (vscode in particular) would adopt its folding style or at least enable it. Doesn't seem promising though ( https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/17904 )

I'd like to let people know about Sublime Zettelkasten[1], which is this really useful module for Sublime that automates searching, linking, and lots of other stuff. There's also a standalone version that is attempting to have the same functionality[2].

[1]: https://github.com/renerocksai/sublime_zk [2]: https://github.com/renerocksai/sublimeless_zk

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by z3t4 »

kristiandupont wrote: post #47
mpweiher wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that's a nice mapping of the Smalltalk code browser onto a regular text-based PL. http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/673

It is. I've used it for side-project code a couple of times and it's absolutely wonderful. The ability to group code semantically at unit-level, cross-language is extremely powerful. Go to definition and the like in other editors work to some extent but very often, abstractions hide the actual link between code parts and you have to rely on your (brain-)memory or a debugger to figure out what the graph looks like. Sa…

I tried it, but when viewing in "browser" mode, the entire file is the only item. What am I missing ?

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by chrisweekly »

bryankam wrote: post #41
MrGilbert wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think going plaintext might be the best way here. I wonder, though... I think writing something by hand gives a different feel for it. I don't know how to explain it. It's like your mind works better if you write by hand. So maybe an app, used with a stylus on a tablet or large-ish phone might be the best combination? It should then create folders and textfiles, and just store the text there. Which would require OC…

Agreed! That's why I went for markdown in implementing it for myself. Handwriting definitely helps, but a lot of it in this system is done during reading (or just general life), which Ahrens calls "literature notes". Ahrens has a theory that handwriting forces paraphrasing, which he views as important to learning. Anyway, I handwrite all that, then there's a later stage of integrating the relevant info into the syste…

Hi @bryankam, I just realized you're the author of the linked article. Thank you so much for writing and sharing and commenting.

Regarding handwriting, I'm of a similar mind, having evolved my own system (hybrid of bullet journal + "slice-planner" in monthly moleskine quad-ruled paper journals, plus .md files and evernote) which is in need of some refinement.

Re: Zettelkästen?

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Post by Philipp0205 »

fastball wrote: post #19

Shameless plug: I'm currently building a web app[0] that attempts to digitize the notecard format in a way that makes note-taking easy and powerful. It's in its infancy, but I would like to integrate better support for some zettelkästen methodologies down the line. The "linking" in our platform isn't quite as powerful as zettelkästen for some use-cases, but we do utilize a "parent-child" method of organizing your not…

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