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What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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Re: What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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A lot of the stuff mentioned in this article -- microsleeps, immune weakness, irrational thoughts and behavior -- sure rings a bell from my university days when I would, either for work or school "reasons," routinely pull all-nighters. Ended up with some very bad results. Also: Schools in general in my area, including elementary, are starting waaaay earlier than they used to, and the kids aren't getting enough sleep,…

This had a huge impact on me in grade school. From 7-12th grade (middle and high school in the US) I routinely got around 6h of sleep during school nights. I was constantly tired. Combined with ADHD-I I had a really hard time focusing. Looking back at it I would have done much better if I had 8h of sleep.

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In case you feel sleep is a waste of time, it could actually be surprisingly productive to sleep. Once thing I noticed in grad school is that your sub-conscious is passively working on the problems you encountered even if you are not actively thinking about them. And often I would "dream" up a clever solution to a homework problem during my sleep. J.P. Serre, one of the most brilliant mathematician still living today…

> your sub-conscious is passively working on the problems you encountered even if you are not actively thinking about them.

This is the same for creativity, this is why you come up with ideas in the shower or the train, assuming you're just idling and not scrolling through your smartphone.

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> Your reaction time will begin lagging around hour 18; after a full night without sleep, it will nearly triple—which, for context, is about the same as being legally drunk. Wouldn't a reaction test be much better than breathalysing? 1. it would catch reasons (such as this) for being unfit to drive besides drunkenness 2. it would work whatever your weight / propensity for absorbing alcohol 3. it tests the actual thin…

Alcohol has other derogatory side effects affecting driving than just reaction time. Emotional impediment, drowsiness, propensity to recklessness, just to name a few..

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I know how that feels, with camping as well. But I cannot shake the thought that most of our life is simply about survival. And society is a better alternative than hunting/farming on your own.

Sure, but is it a better alternative than hunting/farming in groups? I'm not convinced.

Farming is not a good life. Hunter/gatherers famously had it much better.

Doesn't matter. The sustainable population of farmers is orders is magnitudes higher, to the point that they can push out any hunter-gatherers almost without noticing. I hope that modern life is at least closing on that quality of life, but I don't think it is yet, for most people.

Re: What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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I once had a problem we had thought / talked about for maybe a year, that gradually increased in urgency. We were almost down to the wire on coming up with a solution, we had 3 detailed plans written up, and they all had huge trade-offs, none of which were really acceptable to the majority of use-cases. I once spent an entire day thinking it through non-stop and just couldn't see past what we had already planned. Eve…

do you have an established routine for embarking on major efforts like that? how much value is there in writing out the plan, and at what resolution? I'm figuring out how to "sketch" large problems as I move towards being a more senior developer.

I have a pretty low bar for just starting a Google Doc, and it's part of my early thought process. It's important to very early on (even if you're not sure you're going to spend time on the problem - even if I just spend 30 minutes doing research on it), put the problem statement, exit criteria / success metrics, non-goals and stake holders on paper to clarify your own thinking about what you're even trying to do.

As different approaches present themselves I just write a quick summary with the pros / cons and gotchas that come to mind. At first I don't put in a ton of time - it's just notes organized like it might be a report one day. I'll probably throw a lot of what I've written away as my thinking on it improves, but I never throw away ideas. If it was plausible enough that I spent some time researching, it's worth recording for everyone else's benefit why you decided to abandon it.

Eventually when the problem comes to the surface more I can say, "I have a report started on this!", quickly revise it and share it with my team and stake holders, and we iterate from there. The design doc mentioned in my original post had actually been around for years, and I had shared it 6 months earlier and had a lot of detail and critical thinking applied to my early doc. It was just a progression from something I opened quickly when I had 1 idea.

You should take notes or records for early research somehow anyway, I just try and do it in a way that's quickly shareable as a design / plan. It might take months (or forever) until it's worth sharing, but it's just a place to record my ideas and new things I learn as the problem's on my mind.

Re: What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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Idea for a startup: Sleep pods (or, perhaps more marketable, smart beds.) Create the perfect comfortable environment in an enclosure, constantly maintaining the temperature/oxygen/etc. that's optimized for the individual. Artificially induce sleep to knock the user out right away or within their preferred duration. Monitor their vitals throughout sleep. Perhaps inject nutrients. Fluff: Massage, choice of music/sound…

> Artificially induce sleep to knock the user out right away or within their preferred duration. That alone would be a billion dollar achievement.

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Re: What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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In case you feel sleep is a waste of time, it could actually be surprisingly productive to sleep. Once thing I noticed in grad school is that your sub-conscious is passively working on the problems you encountered even if you are not actively thinking about them. And often I would "dream" up a clever solution to a homework problem during my sleep. J.P. Serre, one of the most brilliant mathematician still living today…

Thomas Edison used sleep too. It is written that he would would would sit holding two metal objects in a chair over metal pans. He would sit and contemplate a hard problem until he dozed off and dropped the items in to the pans, waking him up, after which he would rapidly write down what conclusions or ideas he came to in that few moments of sleep.

He is not alone in this regard among the elite thinkers, “healers”, and inventors throughout history

Re: What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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> Studies have shown that just one week of sleep deprivation—less than five hours per night—dropped young male’s testosterone levels by a whopping 10 to 15 percent. For comparison, a healthy individual’s testosterone will naturally decline by 1 to 2 percent per year. In other words, as far as your hormonal system is concerned, a week of bad sleep will age you a decade.

But isn't this temporary, not permanent? I was repeatedly sleep-deprived as a military officer in my 20's -- both chronically and acutely, and often beyond the parameters described in the article -- and my T levels are normal now that I'm in my late 30s.

Re: What Happens to the Body on No Sleep

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Does anyone else find it difficult to get consistent sleep regardless of their efforts?

Since starting a more stressful job most weeks I have at least one night a week where my sleep is disturbed at some point and I find it difficult to get back to sleep.

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