They think people who have enough to not have to resort to crime will live in dirty areas by choice?
Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
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Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#52For all those commenting on 'aren't more polluted areas just more criminal due to other factors", as far as I can tell the researchers examined crime rates for the same place and find correlation with whether there was more Ozone and PM 2,5 on a particular day or not. So they are not comparing clean air neighborhoods to highly polluted neighborhoods, but the same neighborhood on different days. https://www.sciencedai…
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Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#53For all those commenting on 'aren't more polluted areas just more criminal due to other factors", as far as I can tell the researchers examined crime rates for the same place and find correlation with whether there was more Ozone and PM 2,5 on a particular day or not. So they are not comparing clean air neighborhoods to highly polluted neighborhoods, but the same neighborhood on different days. https://www.sciencedai…
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Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#54You can read the full paper directly from the author here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18S8Ttan33xbH2UYKY_N1EcNAYyA...
Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except it's not a case of ice cream and summer time. Lead fucks people up. Always has, always will. Pretty easy to trace a relationship between lead concentrations and societal disfunction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis
The article specifically mentions the lead-crime hypothesis as a different example of hypothesized linkages between air pollution and crime. It seems exceptionally likely that it isn’t what they’re looking at. This paper specifically looks at short term air pollution effect (ie, the kinds that will measurably rise and fall in different parts of a city over an 8-year span). Lead takes so long to affect a single person…
Hacker news and not reading the article before commenting name a more classic combination
Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#56For all those commenting on 'aren't more polluted areas just more criminal due to other factors", as far as I can tell the researchers examined crime rates for the same place and find correlation with whether there was more Ozone and PM 2,5 on a particular day or not. So they are not comparing clean air neighborhoods to highly polluted neighborhoods, but the same neighborhood on different days. https://www.sciencedai…
Eating prison for also associated. Correlation does not equal causation.
>Correlation does not equal causation
Say what? You should write these scientists and explain, I'm sure they've never heard of this concept!
Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or that low income areas with higher crime in general have less money to buy new and efficient/clean cars so the pollution rises. I think it would be very hard to isolate these factors into a "clean" study.
You can't do it with humans, for ethical reasons, but why not take some other social animal, say mice, put one population in a box with zero pollution, and one hooked up to an old car exhaust with leaded gasoline? I'd wager the ones with the pollution are going to eat each other's faces at a much higher rate than those without. For giggles and to test some fall of Rome hypotheses, run a 3rd cage where the water comes…
Can one still buy leaded petrol in the states?
In any case, I agree you can't do this properly with humans. And lead is definitely a factor in many deceases including mental ones so it could well be one of the causes of increased violence.
Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#58Can someone explain what "linked to" means in the context of a research study? Is it just a way to highlight correlation when it is insufficient to assert causation?
Re: Exposure to air pollution is linked to an increase in violent crime
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The researchers made no claims on the physiological, mechanistic relationship of how exposure to pollution leads someone to become more aggressive; their results only show a strong correlative relationship between such crimes and levels of air pollution. The researchers were careful to correct for other possible explanations, including weather, heat waves, precipitation, or more general, county-specific confounding…
What about city activity with pollution? more activity -> more pollution -> more crime more activity -> more crime
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eating prison for also associated. Correlation does not equal causation.
"The researchers made no claims on the physiological, mechanistic relationship of how exposure to pollution leads someone to become more aggressive; their results only show a strong correlative relationship between such crimes and levels of air pollution. The researchers were careful to correct for other possible explanations, including weather, heat waves, precipitation, or more general, county-specific confounding…
> their results only show a strong correlative relationship
The paper's abstract says "The results suggest that a 10% reduction in daily PM2.5 and ozone could save $1.4 billion in crime costs per year, a previously overlooked cost associated with pollution." In my opinion this is a statement of a causal relationship, not merely a correlation.
I wonder why they didn't reverse that relationship, too, and propose that violent crime increases pollution.
I would love to read the actual paper, but it's only available to people with money.