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Post by manigandham »

artfulhippo wrote: post #2

Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to d…

Tim Cook previously said "not on our platform" before and people warned about censorship and centralized control that would eventually harm to the most dependent users. This is the direct outcome of such a policy where a few have ultimate power over the masses. It's a sad development for Apple.

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Post by manigandham »

dannyr wrote: post #291
coldtea wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. What veracity? He is a businessman in a trillion dollar company. He says what pleases the market -- the domestic and the foreign one, not his personal beliefs... The first priority is always profits or growth. If one sincerely cared for the environment fo…

Part of Apple's image that earned it loyal customers is that they care more about their customers than most other companies. Apple doesn't sell your data, it protects your privacy, will fight government agencies asking for user's data, etc.

A lot of that was for PR, especially against rivals like Google and Microsoft. Apple definitely made some improvements but there were better approaches for just about everything they did that would've helped users and industry alike.

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Post by [deleted] »

flukus wrote: post #214
jm4 wrote: post #202

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Oh, get off your high horse. Which devices are you using from a company that isn’t similarly large and doesn’t do the same thing?

I'm far from perfect, but I don't purchase products from a company that has dictatorial control over the software installed on my phone, so I'm not complicit in handing over that power to corporations (and in turn the CCP), iPhone users are. Their actions helped lead to this.

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Post by kkarakk »

lowatt wrote: post #285
jplayer01 wrote: post #23

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This is exactly what authoritarian governments do. They muddy the truth and make official and important sounding institutions make official statements that paint a situation in exactly they need it to be to further their own goals. I don’t understand how anybody can trust any information that comes out of the Hong Kong Cybersecurity and Technology Crime Bureau when the whole issue is that the HK government is no long…

So, news in a non-authoritarian country are all truth? Non-authoritarian gov never “muddy the truth and make official and important sounding institutions make official statements that paint a situation in exactly they need it to be to further their own goals” ?

It can atleast be independently verified. Nothing coming out of the chinese govt's mouth in these circumstances can ever be independently verified

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Post by wodenokoto »

president wrote: post #76
artfulhippo wrote: post #2

Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to d…

> Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths? At least in China, you can probably assume iMessage is back-doored given that iCloud content in mainland China is operated by a Chinese internet company. Apple quietly posted this last week on their support page: "iCloud services in China mainland are now operated by Ch…

> "iCloud services and all the data you store with iCloud, including photos, videos, documents, and backups, will be subject to the new terms and conditions of iCloud operated by GCBD."

How do I know if my data is on the Chinese iCloud? I've been to China once and connected to iCloud.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dannyr wrote: post #291
coldtea wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements. What veracity? He is a businessman in a trillion dollar company. He says what pleases the market -- the domestic and the foreign one, not his personal beliefs... The first priority is always profits or growth. If one sincerely cared for the environment fo…

Part of Apple's image that earned it loyal customers is that they care more about their customers than most other companies. Apple doesn't sell your data, it protects your privacy, will fight government agencies asking for user's data, etc.

I wonder how much this "Apple is fighting for your privacy" image isn't even intentional PR, but just an accident. Watching HN threads over the years, as Google kept doubling down on surveillance capitalism, the usual "Apple vs. Google" / "Android vs. iPhone" threads started to point out that Apple is not doing what Google is doing. I have a feeling the opinion of Apple being pro-privacy has spiraled out from this.

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Post by drevil-v2 »

asdf333 wrote: post #120
reaperducer wrote: post #17

For those who want to read the e-mail: https://pastebin.com/dFyftCuZ As for me, I sold my Apple stock yesterday. Tim won't miss my $10k. But I won't miss him when I am able to move to a better platform.

yeah...not sure i can ditch my macbook pro yet but next phone is not going to be iphone anymore...

Yes because Android has your privacy needs covered! Don't let the door hit you on your way out

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Post by thinkingemote »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #137
policeanman wrote: post #125

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> This app specifically lists where the police are. Since when is that a crime? When news reporters cover a protest in US and show live where the police is, are they committing a crime?

It’s a crime if it’s being used to physically attack the cop.

As would any mapping app or Twitter?

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Post by rndgermandude »

threeseed wrote: post #109
rndgermandude wrote: post #33

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Even if the alleged crimes allegedly abused the app (something certainly not endorsed by the app makers), the same can be said for a lot of other apps. Thieves use facebook to look for people who give details on when they are on vacation for example. Snapchat and Skype and kik and whatapp and every other social messaging and social media app and service is abused by pedo criminals grooming their victims. etc But thos…

This app specifically lists where the police are. That is its primary purpose. Comparing it to Facebook or Snapchat makes absolutely no sense.

Every time there is a major protest or football (soccer) game in Germany, facebook and twitter and everything else is full of messages regarding major police presence. It's the protesters or fans warning each other, it's the local residents warning each other, oh, and the police itself is often an avid user of facebook and twitter itself warning people to avoid certain areas if there is violence to help regular citizens avoid getting caught up in it.

The vast majority of people do not post or read those messages to coordinate violence against the police, but merely to stay out of the way when police and black block protestors or football hooligans clash.

I live near a football stadium, and there are some violent clashes of drunk hooligans and police after many games, but thankfully usually only on a small scale involving maybe 10-30 people against the police. Nonetheless, I made it a habit to avoid certain area for a couple of hours after a home game.

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