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Post by remlov »

ottobonn wrote: post #304
remlov wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh... I've been on Ubuntu 18.04 for about 1.5 years now on my Dell Precision 5510. Zero problems, all hardware works out of the box. Suspend and hibernate still works flawlessly.

Do you have any tips for getting the touchpad to work well? Mine picks up palm touches and the only solution I've found is to disable the edges of the touch pad.

The default Synaptics driver works well enough for Palm Rejection. In the beginning I had some outlier registered touches while typing but disabling touch-to-click seemed to completely mitigate that. Drivers might have gotten better since then but I don't really know since for about a year I set the touchpad to disable when I use my M570 Wireless Trackball.

Re: Broken

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Post by ActorNightly »

anextio wrote: post #402
dTal wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting and keeping a Linux Desktop in good working order is harder than it should be at this age of Linux. Maybe because all the developers ran away to Macs, instead of sticking around dogfooding and fixing bugs? Free software is a collaborative social enterprise - it's not really anyone's job to make free stuff for you to use. If, as a developer, you've taken the easy path of proprietary software for years, and n…

While I sympathize with your political position on free software, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that this point of view is idealistic[1] and short sighted. The vast majority of engineers don’t commit to switching to free software not because not enough hearts and minds have been convinced yet but because the entire economy and the basis of everyone’s material existence depends on a system that is at this…

The majority of web servers that serve all the web content that you use are Linux based.

Some of the most popular video games that have massive markets and revenues behind them (CounterStrike and moba games) have all started out as free mods to existing games.

The largest share of the worlds smartphones run Linux.

Twitch streamers, some of which make extremely high salaries, use open source broadcasting software

Python is now becoming the de-facto language of scientific computing, with all the major libraries available for free.

You are greatly discounting how much open source software has affected, and more importantly changed the direction of bought software.

Re: Broken

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Post by Bendingo »

dTal wrote: post #370
blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

> Getting and keeping a Linux Desktop in good working order is harder than it should be at this age of Linux. Maybe because all the developers ran away to Macs, instead of sticking around dogfooding and fixing bugs? Free software is a collaborative social enterprise - it's not really anyone's job to make free stuff for you to use. If, as a developer, you've taken the easy path of proprietary software for years, and n…

> then I'm afraid you are rather entitled, and deserve a serenading by the world's tiniest open source violin.

This comment is unnecessarily belligerent; parent was stating facts. not complaining. Your attempt to guilt or shame them is completely unjustified.

Re: Broken

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Post by 00N8 »

snapples wrote: post #131

Things are so broken here at Apple. I joined about 4 years ago. I am awed by the fact that we manage to release any software at all, let alone functional software. The biggest problem is communication. No one fucking communicates. - No communication between orgs. Tons of bureaucratic tape to cut through just to get a hand on someone working on a different product - Barely any communication between teams. Literally ev…

thank you. this really validates my decision to work as a backend Python engineer at a well-established startup.

Re: Broken

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Post by cossovich »

blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

My main job is web development and I'm not using Linux on the Desktop for any political/ideological reasons, I'm using it because it gives me the best experience.

Desktop Linux for me is Ubuntu 18.04 on a ThinkPad T450s and it's currently my favourite daily driver (we have a 2019 MacBook Air at home I share with my partner and a Windows 10 machine for testing websites at work). I can't think of the last time I had any problem getting anything to just work - the T series ThinkPads are well known to work with Linux so YMMV with other brands/models but I just happen to love the ThinkPad form factor and design so I'm super happy.

It sucks now having the Adobe CC suite available on my primary work machine but more and more we are using Figma for any digital design related workflows and it's wonderful.

Regarding Apple laptops, I was holding onto a 2015 MacBook Air until I upgraded it for the 2019 model because it was meant to be the latest-best Air... MacOS, iCloud integration and the keyboard has been disappointing to say the least.

Re: Broken

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Post by melenaboija »

ActorNightly wrote: post #422
anextio wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I sympathize with your political position on free software, I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that this point of view is idealistic[1] and short sighted. The vast majority of engineers don’t commit to switching to free software not because not enough hearts and minds have been convinced yet but because the entire economy and the basis of everyone’s material existence depends on a system that is at this…

The majority of web servers that serve all the web content that you use are Linux based. Some of the most popular video games that have massive markets and revenues behind them (CounterStrike and moba games) have all started out as free mods to existing games. The largest share of the worlds smartphones run Linux. Twitch streamers, some of which make extremely high salaries, use open source broadcasting software Pyth…

I don't think anybody is doubting about the huge impact of open source in science and technology, is more that maybe linux is still not a substitute for some commercial products

Re: Broken

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Post by [deleted] »

dTal wrote: post #370
blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

> Getting and keeping a Linux Desktop in good working order is harder than it should be at this age of Linux. Maybe because all the developers ran away to Macs, instead of sticking around dogfooding and fixing bugs? Free software is a collaborative social enterprise - it's not really anyone's job to make free stuff for you to use. If, as a developer, you've taken the easy path of proprietary software for years, and n…

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Post by saghm »

hrktb wrote: post #361
lol768 wrote: post #307

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>[Edit]: The replies suggest this is mostly still the case, people say it works flawlessly - except for [insert issue here] I count 7 or 8 broadly unconditional "it works fine" child comments. 1 "it mostly works", 1 "I had to write my own ACPI driver", 1 "it works fine except HDMI sound switching isn't automatic sometimes", 1 "drivers were hard to set-up, WiFi is iffy", 1 "it's not perfect so try it first". IMO that'…

At my last job we had people very happy with linux, with the following caveats: - they didn’t care about moving it around half a day and keeping decent battery life, for most of them it was effectively a desktop. - they didn’t care about any CJK support. None of them would be bitching about chinese fonts on japanese pages or worse IME. - they didn’t need any peripherals outside of screens, keyboards and mices. We had…

> - they didn’t need any peripherals outside of screens, keyboards and mices. We had to use a usb dongle to project into videoconf room at a client, I have no hope it would have worked on linux.

You can actually buy Linux laptops with not just USB-C, but also USB-A, HDMI, Ethernet ports, etc. As someone with a Linux laptop who has never run into a peripheral issue and has coworkers with peripheral issues with their MacBooks, I'm not super convinced that the grass is greener on the Mac side of this one.

Re: Broken

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Post by bb88 »

JabavuAdams wrote: post #407
clopez wrote: post #397

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This!. Love your reply. I'm also tired of developers criticizing Linux desktop for not being friendly enough and running away to propietary systems instead of trying to help to fix what they don't like of Linux Desktop. That's the good thing of open source: don't like it? Then fix it and send me a patch and stop complaining. Its not like propietary systems where you only can complain (you can't fix)

Maybe they want to get stuff done, other than puttering around in the tooling. It's a nice option to have, but would be ruinous to productivity. Also, design by committee rarely produces good UI. You can patch little UI bugs, but if you really want to holistically improve the UI it's a huge undertaking. Just because you're developer, doesn't mean you want to hack on every tool you use. Software has gotten way too big…

> Maybe they want to get stuff done, other than puttering around in the tooling.

You mean like that crufty thing called homebrew?

Or the default versions of software shipped are out of date by maybe a long, long time?

https://www.reddit.com/r/bash/comments/393oqv/why_is_the_ver...

Re: Broken

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Post by setheron »

I switched to a T480 Lenovo running Fedora. Prior to this I've never really ran a Linux machine for my personal laptop and only ever in the capacity of a desktop for work (usually running some old RHEL).

I don't think I ever want to go back to OSX. Fedora has been such a pleasure to work on Sure thunderbird is meh -- but overall my output and joy from running the system has been returned 10x

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