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Re: Broken

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Post by asdff »

grzm wrote: post #18
GordonS wrote: post #12

I just upgraded to Catalina today on my MBP, and that screenshot of Allow/Deny notifcations hits the nail on the head! Likewise the popups about allowing apps to control other apps - what a wonderful way to introduce me to Catalina! I mean, come on, there has to be a better way than this, especially from a company supposedly famed for it's user-orientated designs and thinking?

How would you choose to handle it?

"please review permissions" opens a table with your applications listed in rows and permissions requested by each in columns. Popups like this remind me of the internet in 2003.

Re: Broken

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Post by notatoad »

blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

it's far from an ideal solution, but the only thing that keeps me sane is to have different computers for their strengths.

For example, one of the author's use cases is "Because I’m an idiot with reasons, I have a python daemon that launches as root via launchd." - i shuddered just reading this, i'd never attempt to do that with anything other than linux. but chromeos is perfect for my little laptop i keep in the living room to check my email on. i was also happy using an iPad for the same thing. My software dev machine is a linux desktop, but if i needed a work laptop there's no way i'd put linux on it.

maybe one day there will be an OS that i can use for all the things without complaint, but right now that doesn't seem to be a reality, and i've stopped pretending it can be.

Re: Broken

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Post by kwhat4 »

dingus wrote: post #272
blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

It's frustrating because it's the "least worst" option. I use MacOS because it has a thoughtful, consistent, coherent, beautiful user interface and desktop environment. The things I use all day are basically a web browser, mail client, code editor, and terminal. I can do actual work on any BSD really, there is no proprietary app that causes lock-in, I don't use iCloud or any of their services. All I want is their des…

What makes the MacOS UI so much better than say Gnome or Enlightenment? I personally can't stand most of the Mac UI experience, however, I am very curious what you (and others) love about it that cannot be replicated on a different OS?

Re: Broken

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Post by tracker1 »

With the level of frustration I've had with mac for a while now, my latest desktop is now running Linux... though that had its' own series of headaches. First, the onboard audio and wifi only work with Kernel 5.1 and 5.2 respectively. I upgraded. When an rs 5700 xt finally got in stock with non-reference designs, I ordered one, that lead me to 5.3 kernel, and binary downloads (which were locked at 1080p on a 40" 4k display, too big).

In the end after trying things, borking my install, trying manjaro architect (failed), trying arch (not sure how I failed, but no boot) and finally reverting to Ubuntu LTS and forgoing the onboard audio for an external soundblaster usb and using wired ethernet anyway, I have a working system.

But at the very least, I'm not entirely beholden to Apples whims, which means eGPU and a lot of issues for Nvidia graphics. In the end, I'm not developing iOS apps or mac apps, and even if I do an electron app, have no intention of giving Apple any more of my money.

I haven't bought a Sony hardware product in about 20+ years since their bad behavior (though they do get revenue from blueray and make components). I can live without Apple too.

Re: Broken

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Post by tracker1 »

MisterOctober wrote: post #214
blunte wrote: post #203

It's all very depressing. Like most of us here, I have become increasingly frustrated with the state of Mac (touch bar, bad keyboards, odd choices that fit neither creators nor developers well, and so on). No point rehashing it all. But where does that leave us? I spent a year on Windows 10 not so long ago, on upper end laptop hardware with HiDPI screen, and it was less fun and more problem prone than macOS - especia…

I switched from macOS to Linux [Fedora now] about a year and a half ago, out of the same frustrations that affect a lotta folks -- It took a little while to adjust, but since there are a lot of similarities between the Linux and Darwin command lines [and Linux package management being better than homebrew by my lights] , it wasn't very long before I was like "Damn, why didn't I switch 20 years ago!!!" Plus now my har…

Just don't buy hardware that is too new. X570 platform and rx5700xt, and issues a plenty. Not to mention absolutely abysmal RGB support from hardware vendors.

Re: Broken

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Post by cryptozeus »

treelovinhippie wrote: post #331

My update experience for Catalina was like so: 1. Download 8GB on Australian internet. 2. Wait 7 hours. 2. "Sorry there was an error". 3. Download again. 4. "You need 1GB more free space". 5. Clears 1GB of space. 6. Ok installing, restarts. 7. "You ran out of disk space". Only one button: [restart]. 8. Restarts. 9. "You ran out of disk space". Only one button: [restart]. 10. Search for solution, find dozens of others…

I mean you clearly 8gb is needed, this is not apple problem.

Re: Broken

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Post by tracker1 »

gonehome wrote: post #230
MisterOctober wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from macOS to Linux [Fedora now] about a year and a half ago, out of the same frustrations that affect a lotta folks -- It took a little while to adjust, but since there are a lot of similarities between the Linux and Darwin command lines [and Linux package management being better than homebrew by my lights] , it wasn't very long before I was like "Damn, why didn't I switch 20 years ago!!!" Plus now my har…

Does the hardware actually work? I've used Linux several times over the years and the hardware never totally works. I've always had trackpad issues, issues with suspend and hibernate, wifi issues, screen resolution issues, battery life issues, sound issues, driver issues etc. It 'works' in terms of you can technically do work on it, but you have to make a huge number of concessions and this is before considering it h…

Currently reverted to Ubuntu LTS for navi gpu support, wifi not working, but using ethernet anyway, and using an external usb audio adapter.

Flawless it isn't... for a desktop, entirely usable. If I were going laptop would be doing a LOT of research and going for a last generation device.

Re: Broken

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Post by treelovinhippie »

cryptozeus wrote: post #346
treelovinhippie wrote: post #331

My update experience for Catalina was like so: 1. Download 8GB on Australian internet. 2. Wait 7 hours. 2. "Sorry there was an error". 3. Download again. 4. "You need 1GB more free space". 5. Clears 1GB of space. 6. Ok installing, restarts. 7. "You ran out of disk space". Only one button: [restart]. 8. Restarts. 9. "You ran out of disk space". Only one button: [restart]. 10. Search for solution, find dozens of others…

I mean you clearly 8gb is needed, this is not apple problem.

You've misunderstood. I had cleared enough space for the update to give the go ahead. Then during the installation it ran out of space and got stuck in an infinite restart loop.

So clearly the Catalina update requires much more free space than it says it does before allowing the installation to continue. Just poor software development and lack of testing.

Here's a Reddit thread of people with the same problem: https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/deuwsa/help_stuck_in...

Re: Broken

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Post by tracker1 »

wldlyinaccurate wrote: post #241
gonehome wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the hardware actually work? I've used Linux several times over the years and the hardware never totally works. I've always had trackpad issues, issues with suspend and hibernate, wifi issues, screen resolution issues, battery life issues, sound issues, driver issues etc. It 'works' in terms of you can technically do work on it, but you have to make a huge number of concessions and this is before considering it h…

In my experience most hardware works flawlessly, although admittedly some hardware is better-supported. I've owned two (soon three) Dell XPS 13 laptops since 2013 and have always had a really smooth experience running Ubuntu. The worst of my Linux woes were the usual suspend/hibernate issues running Ubuntu on company-provided Thinkpads. I've also had to use various Macs for work in the past and have had terrible issu…

I seem to remember borked cifs/smb support at one point being the most painful.

Edit: not sure why the downvote... MacOS, don't remember when, switched to custom cifs network sharing, and it caused a LOT of issues for my workflow at the time.

Re: Broken

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Post by tracker1 »

ekianjo wrote: post #317
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newer distributions like Ubuntu, Fedora tend to have much better hardware support than other distros. I've used Linux since Ubuntu 7.04, and hardware support has made leaps and bounds since then. That said, it's still not perfect, and warrants a trial on a throwaway hard drive if absolute hardware functionality is a must.

Except Arch, which is miles better in hardware support because it is uses the very latest kernels

As long as the 38 step install process works. ;-) I tried, it locked up trying to load the GUI, specifically 5.3 kernel installer for navi support. Wound up reverting to Ubuntu LTS, will re-evaluate in 6 months when things for my hardware stabilizes.
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