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What interest would Apple have in banning GPL-licensed web apps?

More details here: http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge/ […] Anyway, the message is pretty obvious: Apple won’t ship anything that’s licensed under GPL v3 on OS X. Now, why is that? There are two big changes in GPL v3. The first is that it explicitly prohibits patent lawsuits against people for actually using the GPL-licensed software you ship. The second is that it carefully prevents TiVoization, l…

This for stuff that ships with their OS, mostly.

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Or just switch to Android and you can install the APK, and likely unlock your bootloader and install a custom ROM.

Yeah, because you can just install Android on the iPhone you already possess.

Not all that relevant, but with the new BootROM exploit you may be able to do this at some point.

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>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

Web pages are trivially censorable directly by the Chinese government though. I don't see how that's responsive solution to the problem here.

They’re less censorable than a platform owned by a single company with a standardized process for taking down content.

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states. You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s…

There are lawmakers - both GOP and Democrat - who are in favor of recognizing social and app platforms as public squares. Such regulation would limit arbitrary corporate deplatforming.

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But isn't this all the same thing? Apple made a decision: "This form of speech is dangerous, so we're going to decide what our customers are allowed to see." And so Apple blocks both dangerous speech, and safe speech that could harm Apple's revenue, and safe speech that powerful individuals dislike. People always seem to think of this as a false dichotomy, so I want to emphasize again that I think Apple's curated App…

I don't think it's the same thing. Apple has at least three options: - Have a store with, say, quality control, and the option to side-load - Have a store with "quality control" (and, as I see it, some rather large levers to fight competition), no option to side-load, but don't bow to state actors - same, but bow to state actors. I wish it's the first, I thought it's the second, but we now see it's the third. I think…

But see, by saying "don't bow to state actors", you're making a moral judgement about when it is and is not okay to bow to pressure.

Was it okay when Apple got rid of Alex Jones's app? He was spreading misinformation about vaccines, that's pretty darn dangerous. I guess you could argue that wasn't due to a "state actor", but is anti-Hong-Kong pressure from Chinese citizens all that different?

And here's the thing—I do think platform holders sometimes need to make moral judgements, and I'm glad Alex Jones is banned from the App Store. I'm significantly less glad that it's completely impossible to install his app anymore. It's the difference between not actively giving someone a megaphone, and actually banning speech.

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And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. † Apple should never have been capable of making such a drastic decision for all of their customers. It's one thing to make determinations about what products are allowed in your store, but quite another to unilaterally ban software from what is many people's primary computer. We live in…

The popular perception is Apple surrender to CPP because of money and sacrifice an app that gives HK "citizen" rights. The alternative of the perception is the App is the tool of HK "mobs" to sabotage the HK infrastructure. To avoid further esculation of the violent situation which evetually could lead to the intervention of Chinese army, Apple agree to remove the App. So Apple has the courage to face the popular opi…

You’re being downvoted because you’re using Hacker News for your political battle, which is frowned upon: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Oh, and commenting on downvotes is also usually not rewarded either.

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> Why does it have to be Android? It's another commercial closed-source OS What do you mean? Android is FOSS not closed-source.

Android is closed source. AOSP is open source (and pretty useless).

Sorry, but, that is bollocks. How is it useless?

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> If I have a good reason, I can toggle a setting and install APKs built by anyone. If I have a good reason, I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. This is not possible for many (and I suspect the majority of) android phones.

> This is not possible for many (and I suspect the majority of) android phones. But it is. You can install APKs from anyone on any phone. It's a feature of the OS. > I can wipe my phone and unlock the bootloader to literally replace and de-Google the entire OS. I've never had an Android phone I couldn't unlock and flash. From the original Evo to Pixel 2. I have an iPhone as of two months ago. I just wanted to try som…

> I've never had an Android phone I couldn't unlock and flash. From the original Evo to Pixel 2.

Until you stray away from a handful of manufacturers that are nice enough to let you do this.

> I can't even download an mp3 on Safari or Chrome.

Safari has a download manager in iOS 13.

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Android is closed source. AOSP is open source (and pretty useless).

Sorry, but, that is bollocks. How is it useless?

Most of the stuff that ships on the average Android device is closed-source and written by Google.
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