Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
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Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
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Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#2Apple caved under pressure from China. The explanation Cook gave is not just an embarrassment, it calls into question the veracity of all of his other statements.
Why should users believe that (closed source) iMessage encryption is free from backdoors when we know that Cook will dance around sensitive truths?
And why should the US government be satisfied with a fully encrypted iMessage given that Apple will cave to demands given enough pressure?
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#3Tim Cook is a crook and a moral coward. Single signature signing authorities for software will always be inevitably used for evil, and here it directly has been.
Apple does have a choice here. An easy one. It could remove the requirement that all iOS apps have to be signed to run on Apple devices. Simple. And at that point the Chinese government have no further way to blackmail them.
But Apple has decided it's future ability to behave in an anti-competitive fashion is more important than democracy for the people of Hong Kong.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#4This is a huge stain on the company, the brand, and Cook’s leadership.
It’s not just censorship—it’s active cooperation with an authoritarian power under the fig leaf of TOS violations. Truly astonishing.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#5"Tim Cook is a crook and a moral coward".
i 2nd that.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#6hacker news admins should investigate the downvote patterns on articles critical of china ...there seems to be a very strong downward pressure on articles critical of china — so much that i suspect there may be a down vote ring..
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#7Tim Cook is a crook and a moral coward. Single signature signing authorities for software will always be inevitably used for evil, and here it directly has been. Apple does have a choice here. An easy one. It could remove the requirement that all iOS apps have to be signed to run on Apple devices. Simple. And at that point the Chinese government have no further way to blackmail them. But Apple has decided it's future…
Honestly, as a person who prizes Apple’s products and happily depends on them for work, personal life, etc. I think Tim Cook needs to either open up sideloading or be promptly fired and replaced by somebody who will. None of this sits well with me. It is a situation we do not need to be in. I agree that he is a moral coward, and in far too important and dangerous a position to be so.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#8hacker news admins should investigate the downvote patterns on articles critical of china ...there seems to be a very strong downward pressure on articles critical of china — so much that i suspect there may be a down vote ring..
Yup. There are a few "throwaway" accounts that are also fairly obviously astroturfing too.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#9Can I play devil's advocate for just a moment? Gruber asks for evidence. His only complaints seems to be the lack of evidence and a question of whether the app violates local (Hong Kong) law. Cook's memo directly addresses both of those issues:
> However, over the past several days we received credible information, from the Hong Kong Cybersecurity and Technology Crime Bureau, as well as from users in Hong Kong, that the app was being used maliciously to target individual officers for violence and to victimize individuals and property where no police are present. This use put the app in violation of Hong Kong law.
So then, is the complaint simply that Cook is not providing direct evidence of these claims? Is that a reasonable expectation? What evidence could Cook provide that would directly tie violence (we know that Hong Kong protesters have committed violence) to this particular app? It seems like everyone agrees that this app was useful for organizing Hong Kong protests, and that some Hong Kong protesters have committed violence and broken local laws.
Please don't take this as some statement of political support for any particular government, company, or group. I'm attempting to address the specifics of this memo and Gruber's complaints. I am not attempting to make any argument of the form "the Hong Kong protests are [good, bad] and therefore any tool that helps the protesters is [good, bad]." The overall merits of the Hong Kong protests are not, from what I can tell, relevant to Apple's decision to ban this app or Gruber's complaints about Apple's decision and memo.
Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up
#10hacker news admins should investigate the downvote patterns on articles critical of china ...there seems to be a very strong downward pressure on articles critical of china — so much that i suspect there may be a down vote ring..
Dang explained yesterday [1] that there is a "common news item" penalty to stories to avoid very hot topics from dominating the front page, but that they have removed this restrictions from some articles.