I just upgraded to Catalina today on my MBP, and that screenshot of Allow/Deny notifcations hits the nail on the head! Likewise the popups about allowing apps to control other apps - what a wonderful way to introduce me to Catalina! I mean, come on, there has to be a better way than this, especially from a company supposedly famed for it's user-orientated designs and thinking?
How would you choose to handle it?
Maybe handle it with a sidebar that lists all of the requests. Apple knows people are going to get flooded with these requests, they should have had a queuing sidebar to list all of the requests and that you can go through them one at a time.
So was I until I switch to a 4k monitor and realize that there's no real, stable, functional fractional scaling on Linux, even less so on XFCE, unfortunately.
This is the biggest thing keeping me from leaving the Mac for Linux, and it hasn’t really improved much in the last 4 years. I don’t think most people care about HighDPI (or whatever you want to call it), particularly Linux devs. But I can’t go back to lower DPI screens.
I have used GNOME with HiDPI for two years on Wayland and it is great. Even Tk apps seem to support HiDPI these days.
However, this is all assuming that 2x scaling is fine for you, support for fractional scaling is not great yet.
typing this from a Linux desktop on a 4k screen, don't understand what does not work ? I can set whatever dpi in my .Xresources's Xft.dpi key and it looks fine
until you plugin a second simple HD monitor and everything looks huge on it
Not if you use Wayland. GNOME with Wayland works fine with screens with different DPIs.
typing this from a Linux desktop on a 4k screen, don't understand what does not work ? I can set whatever dpi in my .Xresources's Xft.dpi key and it looks fine
until you plugin a second simple HD monitor and everything looks huge on it
Wayland sort-of handles this. That is to say you can set scaling per-screen without xrandr hacks (with Gnome anyway, not sure about xfce). But there's such a variation in support from apps, it's still a mess).
This is the biggest thing keeping me from leaving the Mac for Linux, and it hasn’t really improved much in the last 4 years. I don’t think most people care about HighDPI (or whatever you want to call it), particularly Linux devs. But I can’t go back to lower DPI screens.
> I don’t think most people care about HighDPI (or whatever you want to call it), particularly Linux devs. But I can’t go back to lower DPI screens. I find this surprising. I'd say anyone who does any serious amount of multitasking (whether a Linux dev or not) would easily want one. I think people do care but they are just waiting on better pricing/availability.
My experience with hiDPI on Linux has been pretty varied. On GNOME, everything just works, and I recommend GNOME to most first-time Linux users. I use i3, and the scaling situation there involves setting some environment variables globally, but is otherwise fine (GDK_scale or something like that). The only issue I usually run into is when Firefox opens my file browser, which breaks the scaling somehow. Other than that, hiDPI is as good as it is in windows. MacOS definitely leads in that regard, but things have certainly gotten better to the point of not really worrying about it in Linux these days.
I just upgraded to Catalina today on my MBP, and that screenshot of Allow/Deny notifcations hits the nail on the head! Likewise the popups about allowing apps to control other apps - what a wonderful way to introduce me to Catalina! I mean, come on, there has to be a better way than this, especially from a company supposedly famed for it's user-orientated designs and thinking?
How would you choose to handle it?
I haven't upgraded yet, but I would expect there to be a one-time user flow when upgrading. Walk the user through new features and then bring up a single page with a list of apps that need modified permissions. Let the user select all for 'Allow' and have them type in their password once. Done.
typing this from a Linux desktop on a 4k screen, don't understand what does not work ? I can set whatever dpi in my .Xresources's Xft.dpi key and it looks fine
until you plugin a second simple HD monitor and everything looks huge on it
This lol and the tiny title bars that can't be resized in XFCE unless editing the XFWM theme images (unlike Mutter where the title bar size can be changed in a file).
Sorry but I don't have time for this anymore. I would have on my SUSE box in 2003.
Can I just say how happy I am with Xfce. It's a Linux desktop environment that looks like in the early 2000s. It's fast. There are no unnecessary frills. It just gets the job done. Its release cycles are measured in several years, and keep it minimal. I used to be on Windows, then macOS, then Ubuntu and now this. As a developer with soon to be 20 years of experience, it's the best environment I've had.
So was I until I switch to a 4k monitor and realize that there's no real, stable, functional fractional scaling on Linux, even less so on XFCE, unfortunately.
By using a combo of xrandr and Xfce's hi dpi setting, I've managed to make my linux desktop more stable, functional and consistent across a 4k screen and a 1920*1200 screen next to it than Windows can manage.
Sure, I had to put in a bit of effort, but now that I have the results are excellent, there's no scale jumping or even the weird rendering MacOS does when moving windows around.
I just upgraded to Catalina today on my MBP, and that screenshot of Allow/Deny notifcations hits the nail on the head! Likewise the popups about allowing apps to control other apps - what a wonderful way to introduce me to Catalina! I mean, come on, there has to be a better way than this, especially from a company supposedly famed for it's user-orientated designs and thinking?
How would you choose to handle it?
I would have given all already-installed applications the permissions they had in the previous version of macOS. If I've been using an app for years it's a bit late to worry about it reading things that I don't want to read, and in practice showing a giant wall of permission prompts on first startup is just going to result in users clicking on Allow on all of them anyway.