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UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

s9w wrote: post #97
ericras wrote: post #13

That's not a very good threat. Diversity is Europe's strength and they will be welcome with open arms!

a reply to this was just removed. not [removed] removed, but actually deleted. Is that normal? I've never seen that.

Sure. I do it on occasion, when someone else made the same point I was making. (You see the comment, you see no reply that says what you wanted to say, so you make your reply, and when you submit it, you see someone else's reply that got posted while you were typing.)

Or, I make my reply, and decide that it was too harsh, or that I misread the parent.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by nec4b »

beefield wrote: post #114
nec4b wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's incredible bad idea to bring people in the EU and house them in ghettoes surrounded with barbed wire to prevent them from leaving.

I fully agree. If you thought that was what I was proposing you may want to reread my post.

I believe you that you have best intentions in mind, but what you propose would lead sooner than later to what I wrote. There are examples in the present as well as in the history why it would be a bad idea.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by brosinante »

delfinom wrote: post #42
brosinante wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, a bunch of wealthy lads looking to get even wealthier teamed up with a bunch of xenophobes and racists with friends in the publishing industry to scam the entire UK. Depends on your point of view I guess.

Lol, wealthy lads want cheap labor for their factories not expensive.

Like vocal brexiter James Dyson moving the company headquarters to Asia after the referendum you mean?

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by ceejayoz »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #118
unclesams-uncle wrote: post #64

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This sounds like a refugee camp but with extra steps.

It's a refugee camp with better infrastructure and opportunity . That makes it quite different from what we normally think "refugee camp" means.

Frankly, it sounds like Gaza. Walled off, restricted rights, told they can "just leave" to places that aren't safe or welcoming, etc. Sure, there are permanent buildings, water/electricity sometimes, etc., theoretically some self-determination, but it's still a crowded, dismal refugee camp with little hope of improvement for its residents.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by dang »

ahbyb wrote: post #119
s9w wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a reply to this was just removed. not [removed] removed, but actually deleted. Is that normal? I've never seen that.

I was the author of that message and I removed it myself (it was a troll reply that got flagged). Removed posts appear as [removed] only if they have children (and, I believe, only mods can remove posts that have children). A post with no children that is removed by its author or a mod simply vanishes.

I appreciate the effort you've been making to inch a bit closer toward the intended use of the site. I hope it isn't too annoying if I say so.

The tag HN uses is not [removed] but [deleted] and yes, if the post has no children, we don't bother displaying that. It's just there as a placeholder in comment trees. More importantly, though: mods never delete posts unless the author asks us to. The most we would do is kill a post, which shows as [dead] and is visible to anyone with showdead turned on in their profile.

There have been a handful of exceptions to that in 10 years, a couple accidental deletions and a couple that the legal department told us we had to do, but it is as solid a rule as we have on HN.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by ahbyb »

dang wrote: post #125
ahbyb wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was the author of that message and I removed it myself (it was a troll reply that got flagged). Removed posts appear as [removed] only if they have children (and, I believe, only mods can remove posts that have children). A post with no children that is removed by its author or a mod simply vanishes.

I appreciate the effort you've been making to inch a bit closer toward the intended use of the site. I hope it isn't too annoying if I say so. The tag HN uses is not [removed] but [deleted] and yes, if the post has no children, we don't bother displaying that. It's just there as a placeholder in comment trees. More importantly, though: mods never delete posts unless the author asks us to. The most we would do is kill…

>I appreciate the effort you've been making to inch a bit closer toward the intended use of the site. I hope it isn't too annoying if I say so.

Absolutely not, and I appreciate what you do. It's very uncommon to see someone with the necessary set of skills to effectively maintain a community and put up with people like me. That also includes calmly explaining over and over again the decisions that have to be taken to moderate this site without falling for the "I'm doing this because this is the way it is/because I want to" argument.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by rossdavidh »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #106
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

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Even within the EU (and Turkey is not part of the EU, which is the EU's fault, not TUrkey's), this rule has been bent a lot in recent years. Greece and Italy and other countries have been sending refugees north. Of course, the Mediterranean countries will regret this bad precedent once the hordes of Scandinavian refugees come down from the south, and Germany and France and Benelux expect them to take some of them. Oh…

>Greece and Italy and other countries have been sending refugees north. They did that because they didn't have the resources to deal with that and when they asked the rich countries for help all they got was "sux to be you. sorry fam, you're on your own. lol"

True. But all of that would be pretty applicable to Turkey, as well.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by mclightning »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #82
yalph wrote: post #77

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Tell me your sane leaders in the “west”. Was it George Bush, David Cameron, Trump, Johnson who is it?

I'm in West-Central Europe, the ones taking in refugees. The people you mentioned are the ones creating them, so ask them.

So, one of the countries which has increased Nazi/Ultra-nationalist votes in the recent years? pick any :D literally. Europe with the very small percentage of refugees taken in, per capita, has already went full on ultra nationalist, even in places like Sweden.

So, we should be more fair to Turkey handling literally, not metaphorically, millions of refugees. It is easy to talk about humanitarian values, when you're outsourcing Turkey to do it for you.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

mclightning wrote: post #128
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in West-Central Europe, the ones taking in refugees. The people you mentioned are the ones creating them, so ask them.

So, one of the countries which has increased Nazi/Ultra-nationalist votes in the recent years? pick any :D literally. Europe with the very small percentage of refugees taken in, per capita, has already went full on ultra nationalist, even in places like Sweden. So, we should be more fair to Turkey handling literally, not metaphorically, millions of refugees. It is easy to talk about humanitarian values, when you're o…

I know right?! These damn European Nazis, giving refugees free food, free housing, free top medical care, free education out of their own taxes. Shame on them! /s

Oh, you mean discrimination? I'm white, Eastern European living in Western Europe and if I'd have a biscuit for every time I have been discriminated here I'd be fat for life. And yet, I don't call everyone who doesn't like me a nazi.

Re: UN Security Council Holds Closed Hearing on Turkey: Syria Update

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Post by jbob2000 »

ListeningPie wrote: post #69
ghostpepper wrote: post #50

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What about buying billions of dollars of weapons from Russia? Does that qualify as grounds for expulsion from NATO?

How are buying weapons from Russia grounds for expulsion from Nato?

NATO was formed as a deterrence against Russian aggression. To then buy weapons from them is a pretty big conflict of interest.
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