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I'm willing to believe this is just a delay so that Apple can get their people off the mainland, and then put the app right back in the store when everyone is safe. I don't even know that that's practical, and it's probably just a dream anyway. Beats my alternative theory at the moment, however.

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A better example is Puerto Rico. If they had a referendum that showed a clear desire for independence, the US would almost certainly let them leave.

Puerto Rico is a 'foreign colony', so to speak, that the US 'acquired' in the first place following the war against Spain in 1898. Hongkong is a core part of China that was wrestled away by a foreign power. There is no analogy within the US for Hongkong because the US have always been sucking in territory since they were founded, and never had any territory taken away. A similar situation would be if the Japanese Nav…

China, like every single country in the world, does not have an inherent "core". All its territory was acquired by war, expansion, colonization, and settling. China simply has a couple thousand year head start on the new world.

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I am sympathetic to the Dancing Bunnies Problem [1]. However, when I weigh the societal harm of (A) preventing people who are very dedicated to shooting themselves in the foot from shooting themselves in the foot, versus (B) protesters being unable to share and access important safety information, the choice is clear. [1] https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-dancing-bunnies-problem/

Personally I think the real problem is that the OS is fundamentally broken. All current OSes are fundamentally broken from a security point of view because they all pre-date the era when security was such a concern and are designed to run only de-facto trusted code. All the security we have including all iOS's security is a bolt-on afterthought. A modern security and privacy conscious OS would be "principle of least…

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Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

This is not an argument in good faith. Alabama has no precedence of self governance, and that precedence is not being actively threatened by the US government. The thought that HK protesters (or Alabamians) just want to “marry their cousins or something” is icing on the cake. Just because some people think it is so does not make it so.

"Alabama has no precedence of self governance,"

Yes, it does (assuming you mean precedent). Alabama was one of the initial members of the Confederacy, which it created/joined on March 13, 1861.

Now, this might sound like I'm disagreeing, but I would say, consider the outcome of the next several years. It is true that the United States fought this out to the n'th degree, and self-governance lost.

One relevant difference is that there is a fairly solid case that Alabama joined the United States of its own free will. (Whether they realized it was inherently a one-way trip, well, that's another discussion.) I'm not sure if I agree that Hong Kong was quite so free. But it was certainly legal.

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Wow, literally "Fuck you, got mine" mentality here with all its ugliness on display! So if it makes you a buck, a billion people should suffer under the rule of a despot?

It's not about making a buck. It's nationalism. Check user history.

Chinese nationalism? Cause this is definitely not the words of an American Patriot, at best it could be viewed as rutheless capitalism, Pinkertons and all.

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

"Vote with your wallet" is a broken mentality.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21202793

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Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

> You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. That's probably where you lose most of the US audience. One of the biggest differences between American and Chinese culture is that manifest destiny is mostly dead in America, but it isn't in China. Of course America has multinationals jockeying for global power, but that doesn't reflect how the voters think.

Are you sure? "America First" was a pretty popular Trump slogan (that spawned some excellent parodies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc)
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