Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

stephc_int13 wrote: post #261

Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

I've been using Android since the beginning, and I think Google is making it worse and worse with each passing day. I was thinking of switching to Apple. I really like where they're going with this privacy stuff. But, no, not a chance. Fuck Apple forever over this decision. I will never buy an Apple product in my life unless they make this right.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by Unknoob » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

collyw wrote: post #374

Is it possible for the average user to install this outside of the app store? Or do you need a rooted phone for that?

Impossible in the Apple ecosystem without jailbreaking your device. Which hasn't been viable for at least 6 years.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by 1over137 » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

greatjack613 wrote: post #246

Honestly, I think we as in the United States have to think harder whether it is worth sacrificing our beliefs in freedom to gain a few $$$ (edit: A lot of $$$$$) from countries that don't provide their citizens with basic rights.

Perhaps the view is different from outside vs inside, but it's always seemed to me that the biggest 'belief' in the USA is the quest for financial profit. So I don't see any 'sacrificing our beliefs' here, I see perusing them. :(

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

journalctl wrote: post #268

stephc_int13 wrote: post #261

Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states. You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s…

There is no reason you can't do both. Yes, this does mean not buying next year's iPhone model, suck it up or stop pretending you care so much.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by gtirloni » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

If Apple didn't comply, what would be the direct consequences? Some Apple executive in China goes to jail and never comes back?

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by spinach » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

learc83 wrote: post #353

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

A better example is Puerto Rico. If they had a referendum that showed a clear desire for independence, the US would almost certainly let them leave.

Even better example would be Hawaii state, previously the Hawaiian Kingdom. I doubt America would let Hawaii go.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by mytailorisrich » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

learc83 wrote: post #353

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

A better example is Puerto Rico. If they had a referendum that showed a clear desire for independence, the US would almost certainly let them leave.

Puerto Rico is a 'foreign colony', so to speak, that the US 'acquired' in the first place following the war against Spain in 1898. Hongkong is a core part of China that was wrestled away by a foreign power.

There is no analogy within the US for Hongkong because the US have always been sucking in territory since they were founded, and never had any territory taken away.

A similar situation would be if the Japanese Navy had forced the US to sign the Cape Cod area, or parts of Long Island over to Japan, and then imagine what Americans would think of that.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

matwood wrote: post #352

sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

> wants all these rights others don't have This is exactly how the United States is setup. Notice how pot is legal in some states and not others? I don't see the National Guard marching on Colorado.

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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by jakelazaroff » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

donohoe wrote: post #354

Wait. They did ban it. Then they approved it again. Have they banned it again? See BoingBoing article from Oct 4th: "Apple reverses ban on HKmap.live app tracking Hong Kong protests & police" https://boingboing.net/2019/10/04/hkmap-live-hong-kong.html

Yup, this article is from today.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by xigency » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 2:47 PM UTC

munmaek wrote: post #271

It’s extremely worrying how far Apple bends over to appease China. First censoring the Taiwan flag, now deliberately removing this app after initially refusing it.

The Taiwanese issue is super interesting since Apple manufactures their silicon in Taiwan and their commodity hardware in China.