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Post by rtkwe »

blue_devil wrote: post #189
michaelt wrote: post #176

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception Since the first border search statute was enacted in 1789, customs officials have essentially been authorised to search anything crossing the border, without warrant. It was approved by the first US congress, which counted James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and John Adams among its members. The original target was ships that might be carrying tax…

Thanks for the pointer. It seems like it's not so clear-cut, with lots of fine legal points around search on person vs. property, digital vs. analog/physical "goods", the individual suspicion requirement etc etc.: >>At a minimum, the Eleventh Circuit’s decision makes clear that this issue isn’t likely to resolve itself. The case for clarity from a higher court—or from Congress—is only getting stronger. https://www.la…

It's the unfortunate fact that any privacy protecting program will also protect people generally deemed morally reprehensible. There's no way to make software tell the distinction between the two groups so it's something both programmers and privacy advocates are going to have to deal with because there will always be people both in and out of government who will use those cases to push for their abolition. (see the never ending boomerang of anti-encryption legislation around the world)

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Post by contravariant »

jeroenhd wrote: post #80
rendall wrote: post #68

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You are both correct. Incidentally, the "border" for legal purposes extends 100 miles into the interior.

Exactly this. And remember that international airports are also borders!

Frankly that's more reasonable than considering all coasts to be a border.

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Post by jen729w »

taneq wrote: post #114
jwr wrote: post #35

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I find this whole discussion (including the above comment) surreal, given that we are talking about the country that used to be called "the land of the free" and that claims superiority over countries that restrict freedoms.

The more I hear about the U.S. the less I want to go there, for any reason, ever. I'm sure the people are lovely but the government is scary.

Aussie/British here so YMMV if you’re from somewhere less white.

Go to the States. It’s amazing. Almost none of what you read here actually happens. I’ve been a bunch of times in the last few years and the border people have been nothing but lovely.

The countryside is amazing. The food is ridiculous. The people are extraordinary — and I’m a leftie who happily says that of the good folk of Alabama.

We can’t wait to go back. Next road-trip will probably take us from Washington state to Chicago.

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Post by jki275 »

neuronic wrote: post #129
epistasis wrote: post #37

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> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. There's an important divide between what customs is supposed to do, and what they might actually do in practice. Going through customs means putting yourself at the whims of people that you do not control. If you're a white male, there's perhaps less of a chance that a bad employee will feel they can take advantage of yo…

Are there stats on the "ethnic composition" of CBP? I must have developed some strange cognitive bias from crossing the border but purely from subjective guessing I would think that a very significant number of CBP agents are non-white. So a question arises in me: why are they allegedly preferring whites over others in terms of extended screening measures etc.?

Certainly at the southern border nearly all CBP agents are Hispanic. I've seen stats but don't remember where. Obviously language skills would weigh heavily towards native speakers, which would tend to influence hiring.

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Post by chadlavi »

michaelmior wrote: post #226
rendall wrote: post #68

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You are both correct. Incidentally, the "border" for legal purposes extends 100 miles into the interior.

Since the topic came up, it's worth noting that the Border Zone Reasonableness Restoration Act of 2019 proposes reducing this distance to 25 miles along with some other changes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/218...

Which is still nonsense. Almost all of the largest cities in the US are mostly or entirely within 25 miles of a land or water border.

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Post by fernandotakai »

jen729w wrote: post #264
taneq wrote: post #114

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The more I hear about the U.S. the less I want to go there, for any reason, ever. I'm sure the people are lovely but the government is scary.

Aussie/British here so YMMV if you’re from somewhere less white. Go to the States. It’s amazing . Almost none of what you read here actually happens. I’ve been a bunch of times in the last few years and the border people have been nothing but lovely. The countryside is amazing. The food is ridiculous. The people are extraordinary — and I’m a leftie who happily says that of the good folk of Alabama. We can’t wait to g…

while i agree (i absolutely love visiting the US, i travel there once a year at least), the problem is not the country itself.

it's getting there. it's getting a visa, being harassed by CBP officers and TSA.

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Post by keketi »

Majestic121 wrote: post #97
outworlder wrote: post #55

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Because these lists are freely searchable, right?

Apparently, yes : https://www.no-fly-list.com/ Maybe there are other unofficial lists, but this one is searchable

The no-fly-list.com website looks like it has been created as a joke. A similar site, nsatt.org links to no-fly-list.com and is clearly a joke based on its FAQ page[1].

[1] https://www.nsatt.org/faq.php

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Post by saiya-jin »

rpmisms wrote: post #256
saiya-jin wrote: post #229

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In that case take a look into Switzerland - most probably the most free country in the world (most direct participation in government by regular citizens by frequent polls, tons of true personal freedom, huge gun ownership yet little criminality etc.). I get where americans come from, and its still great place for many reasons, but for any western-european these statements are pretty weird. I guess if you are told si…

I can understand how you'd see that: let's go point by point. > repressive police state outside anybody's control Nah, mostly individual cops > properly evil government which is openly xenophobic No, we expect people to immigrate legally, and have less obligation to non-citizens. However, this can be countermanded with the sheer amount of military aid we provide for everyone. >one serious illness away from utter bank…

> In reality, people have safety nets, considerate bosses, savings, families, or any combination.

Yeah its great have one's saving wiped out by something that we in Europe just have our shared pool of resources covers for. So you only have to deal with (sometimes lifelong) consequences of some hard illness / accident, and you can continue your life unaffected financially and not compound misery and life getting significantly tougher.

THAT, my friend, is also freedom. We can call it freedom to be ill/have an accident. But don't expect any US politician / hollywood star to ever frame it that way.

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