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not to excuse them, but i think apple has pulled a nice diplomatic move here. the app was available long enough for many interested parties to install it (using the same reasons, it could have been not approved from the start) but also not aggravating the chineese government for too long. fighting the leadership head on will never work on the long run.

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Honestly, I think we as in the United States have to think harder whether it is worth sacrificing our beliefs in freedom to gain a few $$$ (edit: A lot of $$$$$) from countries that don't provide their citizens with basic rights.

I disagree, I don't think we will ever do the right thing if the reward is big enough. I think the right way to go is to dismantle these unnecessary power structures that allow us to do the wrong choice and replace them with better ones.

For example, Apple can only do this because they have the power to remove apps from their store (fine) and because we do not have the power to install apps which aren't from their store (not fine).

If the latter is fixed, then there would be no issue. HKers would be able to install the map, and no one would be able to stop them - because no unnecessary power structure that can be abused exists.

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#264
What's weird is that if you google: "Hong Kong" "Cybersecurity and Technology Crime Bureau" -apple

You come up with surprisingly little. Basically two stories. One about preventing scams in Hong Kong, and one about fake checks. I was expecting tens of thousands of results.

Is there a more common name that's used in English for this entity? I'd like to research more about who they are other than the generality of a wing of the police force.

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#265

Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

This isnt about free will, its a clear indication that the US is not the worlds most important economy anymore.

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#266

It's time that North Americans take a stand and use economic power for something other than furthering that goal. There are so many places where a simple refusal to kowtow/censor or technical attack on censorship infrastructure could help so many that don't have the luxury of living in our world. If we're not going to use all this economic power for good, what's the point?

> It's time that North Americans take a stand and use economic power for something other than furthering that goal. Which goal is that?

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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's time that North Americans take a stand and use economic power for something other than furthering that goal. Which goal is that?

being an economic power

I sure hope that's the goal, or else we wouldn't be able to afford our real goal.

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Blizzard and now Apple. I think this is very serious and it should be a wake-up call. As simple citizens we don't have much choices but vote with our wallets and use social networks to attack the most valuable asset of those companies, their reputation.

That’s not how this works. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, and saying “just don’t spend money there” is a bit reductionist and trivializes the problem of corporations with more power than nation-states.

You need to fight fire with fire: governments of the world (especially the US government) need to create laws that restrict and punish this kind of behavior. Otherwise, I sincerely doubt Apple’s going to even notice the missing couple hundred thousand dollars of revenue because of principled “voting with your wallet”.

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#269
I would like to think the public back-and-forth over this app is a sign of internal conflict within Apple over whether or not to list the app on the App Store. Unfortunately, it seems more likely that everyone is against removing it but too scared of China's retaliation to act on their convictions.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#270
It helps to know a little bit about what's been going on in Hong Kong, before you all decide to line up and take your daily dump on China.

It all started a few months ago when someone committed a crime in Taiwan and fled to Hong Kong. To prevent HK from becoming a safe haven for criminals, the Chief Executive of HK proposed a new law to facilitate extradition of these crime suspects from HK to various jurisdictions in the region, including Taiwan and mainland China.

The proposed law even explicitly stated that it's not applicably to crimes political in nature. But some HK people were nevertheless concerned that it might be abused by China to target political dissidents in HK.

So they have taken to the streets to protest that law. As a result, the law was quickly suspended before it had a chance to pass, and a few weeks ago the HK Chief Executive officially announced the withdrawal of the law.

However, despite the concession from the HK government, the protesters pressed on, demanding four more concessions from the government, chief among them universal suffrage, or the direct election of the HK Chief Executive, who up to this point have been nominated from a narrow pool of Beijing-approved candidates, then voted on by a committee.

It's not entirely clear that China even had anything to do with the proposal of the law which started this ordeal. But the protesters have been shrewd to paint a picture, to great effect, of big bad China stomping on the poor helpless people of HK.

What I cannot stress enough, is the rampant violence and destruction from these protesters, which has done this great city, and many innocent citizens, unimaginable harm. Feel free to support their peaceful protests, but please don't simply pile on and encourage these violence and destruction.

If anything I said is untrue, please correct me. Use the truth to argue your side, don't be a coward and hide behind your downvote.

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