Comments here summarized in one sentence:
Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, ergo, Apple is good.
Apple is not your friend
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Re: Apple is not your friend
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't really address the issue he raises though, you are somewhat forced to use modern devices if you wish to partake in the world/society. In addition if you get the choice at work between certain laptops and certain phones, you are absolutely forced to use those. In addition if you look at the alternatives in the smartphone branch you get the choice between high-end android-based devices and iOS devices or o…
> In addition to that there aren't any services out there as well integrated as apples ecosystem is. (device to device) Yes, there are compromises to be made between convenience and freedom. You are arguing that you prefer convenience than freedom; congrats.
I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not.
From almost all perspectives they are objectively worse, except for privacy. Features, Security and convenience are all significantly better on Apple, Microsoft and Google products.
This is not a value-statement, I'm not saying one approach is better than the other. This completely depends on what you personally value most, if you care exclusively about your privacy then you will have to sacrifice a lot of in other departments to achieve that, if it's worth that to you go for it.
The point I was arguing though; if you have to make a choice between these large corporations and what you care about most is your privacy, then Apple is probably your best bet.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#93However, out of that list of four, Apple is the one that I have seen being “least evil” with me and my data. Google dropped their “don’t be evil” motto for a very damn good reason, and the safety of their own app marketplace is a fucking joke. Facebook is even worse than Google, in that it has never stopped trying to appear innocent of wrongdoing while paddling like mad under the surface. Microsoft… has gone all Spyw…
> but it does at least employ actual security and privacy in many places.
It doesn't. It has total control over what you can use which is the least privacy and security friendly option you can have. That control means they can give up any privacy and security promises under a bit of government pressure, like Apple already did plenty of times. It's the same problem as with end-to-end encryption in vendor controlled binaries, they promise you it's there, but they can and will silently compromise it if pressured or decide to do so.
> Finally, their walled garden - although not perfect - is far safer than any other one out there.
Walled gardens are not inherently safer than anything out there.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#94However, out of that list of four, Apple is the one that I have seen being “least evil” with me and my data. Google dropped their “don’t be evil” motto for a very damn good reason, and the safety of their own app marketplace is a fucking joke. Facebook is even worse than Google, in that it has never stopped trying to appear innocent of wrongdoing while paddling like mad under the surface. Microsoft… has gone all Spyw…
Google hast the most transparency for your data. Google was one of the first to allow you to download it. It shows you all services you use. It tells you constantly that this is the case. It has the best 2fa.
How about when Google tracked all users location even with the location service disabled?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/13/google-lo...
You don't see Apple doing shit like that... quite the opposite.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#95Comments here summarized in one sentence: Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, ergo, Apple is good.
I would summarise it as:
Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, Apple is least bad.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple intentionally held back mobile web that companies cannot build mobile web apps that are as capable as native apps. So this is partly why we're all at the mercy of walled garden App Stores.
> Apple intentionally held back mobile web that companies cannot build mobile web apps that are as capable as native apps. Are you suggesting that random websites should have the same level of access to your device as native apps?
Web apps! See original comment.
Web apps that can ask permission to access features of your phone like a native app.
There are Progressive Web Apps now that are decent like Twitter's but it's still not as good as a native app.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#97Comments here summarized in one sentence: Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, ergo, Apple is good.
I would summarise it as: Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, Apple is least bad .
It starts like that and the further down the threads you go the more it moves toward praising apple for this and that
No problem with that, but why does every single post criticizing apple for something end up this way??
Re: Apple is not your friend
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple intentionally held back mobile web that companies cannot build mobile web apps that are as capable as native apps. So this is partly why we're all at the mercy of walled garden App Stores.
> Apple intentionally held back mobile web that companies cannot build mobile web apps that are as capable as native apps. Are you suggesting that random websites should have the same level of access to your device as native apps?
Well... it's kind of a catch-22 though.
If we all agree that it's good for web apps to be less capable than native apps, then we shouldn't be using the open availability of web apps as an excuse for censoring native apps. There's a lot of stuff this app can't do as a web-app that it can do as a native app.
There's a faction of HN that wants to the web to be for read-only documents, and there's a faction of HN that wants the web to be an open, device-agnostic distribution platform for politically risky apps that Apple would otherwise lock off of its devices. But it can't be both.
Those two factions often end up talking past each other. It's a very difficult balance.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In addition to that there aren't any services out there as well integrated as apples ecosystem is. (device to device) Yes, there are compromises to be made between convenience and freedom. You are arguing that you prefer convenience than freedom; congrats.
I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not. From almost all perspectives they are objectively worse, except for privacy. Features, Security and convenience are all significantly better on Apple, Microsoft and Google products. This is not a value-statement, I'm not saying one approach is better than the other. Th…
> I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not.
I am not implying that. You have alternatives, and they are less convenient, but more respectful of your rights. You get to make a choice, depending on a trade-off between your values.
Re: Apple is not your friend
#100Comments here summarized in one sentence: Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, ergo, Apple is good.
I would summarise it as: Google/Microsoft/Facebook are a bunch of horrible companies, Apple is least bad .
Which is still broadly missing the point.
What the tweet says: "None of these major companies are your friend. Some are better than others, but none of them, when push comes to shove, care about you."
How HN is responding: "But Apple's still technically the best amoral company, right? I mean, if we're gonna rank them. Let's rank them."
I agree that people need to be pragmatic about the companies they interact with. Realistically, very few people are going to cut the entirety of FAANG out of their lives, so ranking has some value. But don't let ranking companies get in the way of recognizing that when push comes to shove, even the least bad companies will still throw you under a bus for a buck.
That's all the tweet was saying -- recognize that Apple is also an amoral company. Be pragmatic, not loyal. The people on here setting up company tiers are missing that point.