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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by ptconroy »

faitswulff wrote: post #238

The app was reinstated: > Following the outcry, Apple decided to admit the HKmap.live app to the App Store yesterday, where it is now available to download. The app developers were happy with this outcome, saying that they believed the decision was more of a bureaucratic issue rather than a political decision and writing, “We understand @Apple have many business considerations, but since they already make thing right…

It was re-removed: It was Apple’s second reversal on HKmap.live, which it initially rejected and then allowed to appear on its App Store. The latest about-face came after the People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s official newspaper, said in a blog post this week that the app had “betrayed the feelings of the Chinese people.” The article accused the app’s anonymous developer of harboring malicious motives and queried whether Apple was an accomplice of “rioters.” Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/apple-pull...

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

lilyball wrote: post #81
newscracker wrote: post #54

As someone who has appreciated the privacy stance Apple has had and the privacy assisting steps it has taken for a long time (long before iPhone), I believe Apple is coming out to be completely hypocritical and anti-privacy/anti-freedom on this app. I cannot believe that Tim Cook and other senior executives haven't examined this deeper and taken a bold stance to let the app stay! Shame on you, Apple! Even John Gruber…

I admit to being confused what this has to do with privacy.

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Post by geomark »

simonh wrote: post #224
geomark wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be a bit much to require employees to break a law as it might expose individual employees to some legal consequences. But there are plenty of laws that are immoral. There are a number of good examples in the peer comments (some of the laws of Hitler's Germany for example). Any company manager or officer that insists on enforcing such laws is themself immoral. But it takes some skill to craft a company policy…

I think you're being a bit cavalier with the distinction between complying with a law and enforcing it. If complying with a law is morally equivalent with enforcing it, you're tarring a lot of Jews in Nazi Germany with a very nasty smelling brush. I really don't get this. Apple has done far more than any other company in the whole industry to fight for privacy rights. They have gone right up against the legal limits…

I was trying draw the distinction between being forced to comply and enforcing, but I guess I did not get it right, or maybe I can't really get it right. I feel like enforcing is making someone else do something, while complying is doing it personally yourself, perhaps wilfully, perhaps not. So the managers are enforcing by coercing their employees to comply with immoral laws, and I think that is immoral.

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Post by greatjack613 »

greatjack613 wrote: post #246

Honestly, I think we as in the United States have to think harder whether it is worth sacrificing our beliefs in freedom to gain a few $$$ (edit: A lot of $$$$$) from countries that don't provide their citizens with basic rights.

Not saying it is easy, but its something that should at least be strongly considered.

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Post by droithomme »

I recall something similar happening once.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Something of a pattern over history of some technology firms really enjoying colluding with totalitarian states in order to facilitate mass human rights abuses. It's highly profitable for one thing and for another they know they will never be held accountable. At most issue a press release decades from now saying that it is with sadness they reflect on findings that certain regrettable things may have happened in the distant past.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Post by mmastrac »

It's time that North Americans take a stand and use economic power for something other than furthering that goal. There are so many places where a simple refusal to kowtow/censor or technical attack on censorship infrastructure could help so many that don't have the luxury of living in our world.

If we're not going to use all this economic power for good, what's the point?

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