Pair Locking Your iPhone • Hacker News Board

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by Keverw » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 12:51 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #210

Keverw wrote: post #119

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Interesting. Wonder if they target you for some reason? but I think some questions are just following a script, so it might seem invasive but they do this all day. My dream is if ever got rich from tech or won the lottery, is to travel full time. By plane, train, cruise ship and then buy an RV to explore more of the US. I think RVs are super cool but feel they are a bit outdated compared to modern cars. So hoping by…

> My dream is if ever got rich from tech or won the lottery, is to travel full time.....But I feel like living an alternative lifestyle would subject me to harassment at some point I quit my job and spent 2 years driving from AK to Argentina, then again to spend 3 years driving around Africa. I'm now a full-time nomad, and doing everything I can to never sit at a desk again (freelance writing, photography, published…

oh wow, living the dream! Not sure if I'd feel safe traveling in some places, one thing that kinda draws me to wanting to cruise. Like egypt want to see the pyramids, but not sure if a place I'd want to go alone.

Looks like I've seen some of your videos on YouTube before, when looking at videos about people who live out of their Jeeps. However if money wasn't a limit I probably would want a class A RV, but the Jeep Wrangler makes a prefect tow car, people in the RV community call them toads. But you leave your RV at a camp spot and then can go explore in the Jeep, grocery shopping, etc without needing to break camp.

But yeah I think the nomad lifestyle has its challenges, but also some great things too. I love going to new places, reminds me of family road trips back when we used to go somewhere every year.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by shkkmo » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 12:54 PM UTC

dodobirdlord wrote: post #71

outworlder wrote: post #53

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> Plus, we always have the right to remain silent. No you don't. Not at the border.

Untrue. People who crack jokes about "constitution free zones" at the border are just uninformed. There are some obvious broad waivers on searches to enable the enforcement of import/export and immigration laws, but other rights that don't relate to the particulars of border enforcement are not impacted.

> There are some obvious broad waivers on searches to enable the enforcement of import/export and immigration laws

Except those searches can be done at the behest of other law enforcement agencies and any information found can be shared with them.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by abstractbarista » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 12:55 PM UTC

_xnmw wrote: post #54

noident wrote: post #18

If you want to keep your phone secure, enable a long passcode, turn on full device encryption, and turn it off. If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. If you're not a US citizen or don't want to be harrassed by customs, bring a burner phone. Tools like Cellebrite can and do take advantage of security vulnerabilities. Turning off pair locking lulls users into a…

> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. A warrant is not required. Federal agents can search your phone at the US border, even if you're a US citizen [1]. If they can't unlock it, they can seize it [2]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-c...

Thats the point. Search my strongly-encryoted device to your heart's content! That does not require I decrypt it first.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by JTbane » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 12:59 PM UTC

I don't travel internationally very often, but I'm considering just backing up my entire phone/laptop and wiping it, then restoring from the cloud when I arrive.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by JTbane » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:01 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #99

Isn't it possible that searching your phone at the border is security theater? I think it's likely that the US already has permanent, remote access to most phones.

> I think it's likely that the US already has permanent, remote access to most phones.

Even if they did, they would be reluctant to use it as it would reveal their hand.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:02 PM UTC

michaelmior wrote: post #226

rendall wrote: post #68

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You are both correct. Incidentally, the "border" for legal purposes extends 100 miles into the interior.

Since the topic came up, it's worth noting that the Border Zone Reasonableness Restoration Act of 2019 proposes reducing this distance to 25 miles along with some other changes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/218...

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Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by vbezhenar » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:05 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #103

stkdump wrote: post #61

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What about if I put an encrypted backup of my phone into some online storage and factory reset it? Probably not a workable solution for frequent travelers.

That's basically using your own phone as a burner phone. You could probably stick a few innocuous photos and messages on it and claim you'd just upgraded or something.

Can I claim that I don't like my laptops searched so I reinstalled it from the scratch? It's truth. Can they force me to reveal my gmail password or something like that?

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by fron » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:09 PM UTC

abstractbarista wrote: post #233

_xnmw wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. A warrant is not required. Federal agents can search your phone at the US border, even if you're a US citizen [1]. If they can't unlock it, they can seize it [2]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-c...

Thats the point. Search my strongly-encryoted device to your heart's content! That does not require I decrypt it first.

Easy to say when you haven't been detained for 12+ hours. They don't care if you're a U.S. citizen when they can just decide the law is optional. Safest solution is to just backup, wipe, enter the country, then restore.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by thrwo234234 » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:10 PM UTC

I'm all for privacy but isn't this paranoia with device security a distraction ? It's likely that half a dozen companies have access to your contacts list, and Google, Facebook etc. almost certainly log information about the people you call and are in contact with. Anyone who uses an iphone for 'nefarious' purposes is not very smart.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by hannasanarion » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 1:12 PM UTC

thrwo234234 wrote: post #239

I'm all for privacy but isn't this paranoia with device security a distraction ? It's likely that half a dozen companies have access to your contacts list, and Google, Facebook etc. almost certainly log information about the people you call and are in contact with. Anyone who uses an iphone for 'nefarious' purposes is not very smart.

It is not a distraction, because suspicionless electronics searches at borders are becoming increasingly common. Facebook knows a lot about you, but do you really want to give all that information to CBP?