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like China!
It's about balance. Government and business need to fight and balance each other out
What do you mean - we were always at war with Oceania...
The Isle of Man is not in the UK
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Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
After living in the UK for a year and encountering this tax system firsthand, I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for Brexit is that rich people in England are worried that EU tax harmonization could one day take away their sweet loopholes and convenient neighborhood tax havens. I've personally benefitted from the system as a "resident non-domiciled" foreign citizen. But on the whole it's not fair to British t…
>After living in the UK for a year and encountering this tax system firsthand, I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for Brexit is that rich people in England are worried that EU tax harmonization could one day take away their sweet loopholes and convenient neighborhood tax havens. It's the same reason they hate Corbyn with such a seething passion too, and McDonnell even more (McDonnell quipped that he found the…
No, they just realise how utterly incompetent Corbyn is.
If he keeps sitting on that fence, his bum's going to be full of splinters...
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
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I hear this theory a lot, but the fact is most of the support for Brexit came from low income households, and people in low skilled or manual work. Generally the higher the household income, the lower the support for Brexit, even at the higher income levels. https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-...
That's why the super-wealthy fund propaganda campaigns aimed at those folks.
Ah yes the "they didn't know what they were really voting for" argument. Insulting and pathetic.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
After living in the UK for a year and encountering this tax system firsthand, I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for Brexit is that rich people in England are worried that EU tax harmonization could one day take away their sweet loopholes and convenient neighborhood tax havens. I've personally benefitted from the system as a "resident non-domiciled" foreign citizen. But on the whole it's not fair to British t…
>After living in the UK for a year and encountering this tax system firsthand, I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for Brexit is that rich people in England are worried that EU tax harmonization could one day take away their sweet loopholes and convenient neighborhood tax havens. It's the same reason they hate Corbyn with such a seething passion too, and McDonnell even more (McDonnell quipped that he found the…
Corbyn's plan is to destroy the economy in the name of achieving fairness. We'll all be equally poor.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
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I am familiar with Camden and Mornington Crescent area, but "Shades of Mornington Crescent"?
Mornington Crescent is a station the you only stop at going one direction on the London underground. If you go in the other direction it disappears. Here it's being used as a short-hand for a complex situation/set of rules. The usage is probably drawn from the fact there was a comedy radio programme in the UK that played a ridiculous game involving many sets of convoluted rules upon rules and the name of the game was…
In fact it only appears on one branch of the Northern line. But you can get to it from either direction on that branch.
Train nerds will doubtless be fascinated that geographically it's on the east of the other branch, but on tube maps it's shown on the line to the west.
There are some complicated track crossings in the area and it's easier - and more useful - to keep the branches straight on the tube map than to show what's really happening underground.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why the super-wealthy fund propaganda campaigns aimed at those folks.
Ah yes the "they didn't know what they were really voting for" argument. Insulting and pathetic.
Given that the UK Government doesn't seem to know what was voted for, it's hard to allege anyone else did.
Wealthy folks convincing the poor to vote against their own interests via propaganda has a long, storied history, too.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
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Whenever the voters vote the wrong way the EU subverts it with the result in effect being overturned in one way or another, so the UK will probably end up staying in and this ATAD will be implemented.
For those downvoting, there is truth in this e.g.: * Ireland voting (twice) on the Nice Treaty - 2001 then 2002 * Denmark voting (twice) Maastricht Treaty - first 1992 then 1993 * Ireland (again) this time on the Lisbon Treaty - 2008 then 2009 There was also a case where the Labour government (in the UK) promised a referendum on a couple of EU treaty changes, before changing their mind after other countries' referend…
Had Cameron taken this approach, things could have worked out OK for the UK. Every one of those involved renegotiation and change of treaties before a re-vote.
The timeline could have been:
Cameron attempts to renegotiate with EU, achieves little.
Calls a referendum, leave achieves a very narrow margin.
Cameron doesn't resign, but attempts to renegotiate with the EU, achieves some small but significant improvements.
Second referendum, this time for remain.
UK and Cameron would still have some reputation.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whenever the voters vote the wrong way the EU subverts it with the result in effect being overturned in one way or another, so the UK will probably end up staying in and this ATAD will be implemented.
For those downvoting, there is truth in this e.g.: * Ireland voting (twice) on the Nice Treaty - 2001 then 2002 * Denmark voting (twice) Maastricht Treaty - first 1992 then 1993 * Ireland (again) this time on the Lisbon Treaty - 2008 then 2009 There was also a case where the Labour government (in the UK) promised a referendum on a couple of EU treaty changes, before changing their mind after other countries' referend…
That's the EU's policy on plebiscites. Make them keep voting until they give the right answer.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
After living in the UK for a year and encountering this tax system firsthand, I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for Brexit is that rich people in England are worried that EU tax harmonization could one day take away their sweet loopholes and convenient neighborhood tax havens. I've personally benefitted from the system as a "resident non-domiciled" foreign citizen. But on the whole it's not fair to British t…
I hear this theory a lot, but the fact is most of the support for Brexit came from low income households, and people in low skilled or manual work. Generally the higher the household income, the lower the support for Brexit, even at the higher income levels. https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-...
Most of the support for Brexit came from tabloid newspapers owned by the ultra-rich.
Polls in the 2010-15 timeframe consistently showed that Britain's European relationship didn't even make the top 5 of issues amongst voters. Consistently fewer than 6% listed Europe as their most important issue: https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/12/11/1544504400000/The-onl...
Today more than 50% see Europe as the most important political issue. Yet nothing of substance changed in Britain's relationship with the EU in the past decade. Support for Brexit was manufactured and is draining the oxygen from solving UK's actual problems.
Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
For those downvoting, there is truth in this e.g.: * Ireland voting (twice) on the Nice Treaty - 2001 then 2002 * Denmark voting (twice) Maastricht Treaty - first 1992 then 1993 * Ireland (again) this time on the Lisbon Treaty - 2008 then 2009 There was also a case where the Labour government (in the UK) promised a referendum on a couple of EU treaty changes, before changing their mind after other countries' referend…
Had Cameron taken this approach, things could have worked out OK for the UK. Every one of those involved renegotiation and change of treaties before a re-vote. The timeline could have been: Cameron attempts to renegotiate with EU, achieves little. Calls a referendum, leave achieves a very narrow margin. Cameron doesn't resign, but attempts to renegotiate with the EU, achieves some small but significant improvements.…
Good point - I agree, and I'm really disappointed it didn't play out like that.
Instead the UK has had political stalemate for 3.5 years and even now it doesn't look like we're closer to 'a deal'.