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String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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The advantage of being a mathematician is that the unifying theories for QM and GR just that, mathematical techniques to unify QM and GR. Unfortunatly, if you are a physicist, I assume your grants at some point will have the words "predictions" or "experiments" in them. But for someone focused on mathematics, string theory, quantum loop gravity (if that is what it's called) and all the others become tools and objects…

In quite a few countries, string theorists (and usually GR people too) are far more likely to be in mathematics departments than in physics. Pretty much for the reasons you describe -- GR was seen in the 60s as an exotic mathematical playground, not quite real physics.

This is also true of QM (not just because of QM computational sciences). My MSc thesis has application to quantum mechanics. I wrote a short summary of the generalisation that I made here [1], which generalises what the Nijmegen group calls quotient comprehension chains to sets. The authors of the latter QC-chains did not seem much interested when I emailed them.

In any case, ideally the framework should touch on geometry eventually as well, but I am not aware of concrete ways to do it. Toposes are considered geometric, but I don't know whether geometric in the sense of GR. The eventual or at least, hopeful, end point is something like [2] where your mathematical framework should ideally in the language of categorical or functorial duality express physical dualities. I don't know how to get to GR, as I say, and should read maybe this [3] but there are many ways to get to QM. One example is through entropy: the generalised abstract set subobjects are partitions and partitions encode entropy through "distinctions", i.e, elements in separate equivalence classes of the partition. The category of sets itself is a model for QM theories via it's inspiration for (symmetric) monoidal categories so perhaps one would want to express in the self-dual language that as well. It's one thing to point to multiple uses of category theory in physics, but it is another to keep track of it in your personal, internal intuition strategy.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1808.01350

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdS/CFT_correspondence

[3] https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/duality+in+string+theory

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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I'm shocked that Kaku even accepted that bet. That's the easiest no ever. Even if you assume that string theory/a unified theory gets completely worked out and a consensus is reached by 2020, the nobel does not give out awards without experimental evidence. Both of those things happening before 2020 was never going to happen.

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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post #63

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I've been hearing good things about the super-asymmetry research from CalTech that was confirmed by Fermilab.

A good rule of thumb is that if you hear ”confirmed” and ”symmetry” together, the conversation isn’t about super symmetry.

But we've already found half the particles!

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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How is holography any more concrete than string theory? It is just as untestable.

You use it as a tool to compute what happens in real things, such as quark-gluon plasma or certain condensed matter systems.

You should be careful to not overstate it's rigorous application to QGP or condensed matter systems though.

For example, for QGP, holography can paint a nice picture, but we don't know a holographic dual for Nc=3 QCD.

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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While I agree on the promise of quantum computing, the way you phrased it is somewhat misleading (hides plenty of complications (even theoretical ones) under the rug). Moreover, even if we can simulate a theory efficiently, we can not use that simulation to learn the value of a (hyper)parameter, without being able to make an observation. And this is the main problem: it is infeasible to make observations in the param…

Is observing a parameter not allowed by quantum mechanics or a current fundamental law? I am aware of the difficulty involved but an optimistic view is that anything is possible until fundamentally proven otherwise. As far as I’m aware, quantum computers would be able to simulate an entire universe in theory. Sorry if my initials comment seemed to disregard the enormity of the problem. I realize we might be decades/c…

The parameter regime of interest is monumentally out of reach to experiments. We can already derive things on paper about that regime, and with better computers we would indeed be able to make more complicated calculations about that regime. But to get something useful we also need to "fit" these calculations to observations. We do not have observations not because of a fundamental constraint, rather because it is engineeringly impossible to reach these energy scales with anything we can imagine. So the roadblock is experimental and a quantum computer would not be particularly helpful with it.

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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post #126

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Despite its drawbacks string theory may actually be our best theory of quantum gravity, perhaps even enough to justify its hiring ratio relative to other quantum gravity theories. Maybe string theory has been treated in a balanced way all along.

Maybe, or maybe not. My personal opinion is that even thirty years ago it seemed stupid to bet almost all resources on a theory that was too complex for anyone to even produce any testable predictions. And I think it is even more stupid now, when the main result of the theory seems to be that it's not possible to use it for any prediction (10^500 possible universes, it's not possible to say which one).

Unless you mean "almost all PBS physics documentary budget dollars," I don't think almost all resources were bet on it.

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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"It would culminate the ancient human quest for knowledge, which began when the first of our ancestors asked, "Why?"" I'm always baffled when I read these kind of quotes, especially coming from such smart people. Do they just forget that our theories are models of reality? I personally believe that there are no wave functions or vibrating membranes out there, as there are no "triangles". These are just names for our…

> here are no wave functions or vibrating membranes out there, as there are no "triangles". I wish you'd added "There is no spoon" here. Opportunity missed.

Haha, indeed, missed opportunity :)

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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It's important to avoid conflating string theorists with all theoretical physicists. Plenty of people in particle physics either don't believe in string theory or don't think it can make useful predictions any time soon, even if it were assumed true. Furthermore, the vast majority of people called "string theorists" don't even work on traditional string theory day to day, but on more concrete ideas that have been par…

The advantage of being a mathematician is that the unifying theories for QM and GR just that, mathematical techniques to unify QM and GR. Unfortunatly, if you are a physicist, I assume your grants at some point will have the words "predictions" or "experiments" in them. But for someone focused on mathematics, string theory, quantum loop gravity (if that is what it's called) and all the others become tools and objects…

I recently got my hands on a book about the career of a esteemed professor and his students. One of the life lessons of one of his students was: "If you want to be called a mathematician prepare to be funded like a mathematician"

Pure theoretical physicist might be in a comparable budget, but I think it is true that the lower expectations on math research is partly due to how cheap it is to fund.

Re: String Theory Does Not Win a Nobel, and I Win a Long Bet

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, or maybe not. My personal opinion is that even thirty years ago it seemed stupid to bet almost all resources on a theory that was too complex for anyone to even produce any testable predictions. And I think it is even more stupid now, when the main result of the theory seems to be that it's not possible to use it for any prediction (10^500 possible universes, it's not possible to say which one).

Unless you mean "almost all PBS physics documentary budget dollars," I don't think almost all resources were bet on it.

From the money available for fundamental questions like quantum gravity and beyond standard model physics, almost all resources were bet on it.

It's kind of cute how some people now are trying to rewrite history when it is more and more obvious that it was a dead end.

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