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Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by lolc »

javajosh wrote: post #162
saagarjha wrote: post #116

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> Isn't it possible that searching your phone at the border is security theater? I mean, many people believe that many of the things that the TSA or CBP do are a security theater. > I think it's likely that the US already has permanent, remote access to most phones. There seems to be a large number of cases where law enforcement were denied access to a device and seemingly were stymied by this fact (detaining the own…

>What makes you think that they're doing this just because? I don't think they'd do it "just because". I think the NSA has access to all devices, but they don't necessarily share that access with lower-level agencies. And yet, the NSA wouldn't want people to know that they have such good access, and so it would be necessary to a) not act on everything, and b) maintain the appearance that they don't have that access.…

> the NSA wouldn't want people to know that they have such good access

Yes, that is not positive evidence however.

> it is easy to hide both intentional and unintentional flaws

Easy in what way? I don't think it is easy to plant flaws nor easy to keep them hidden.

> Certainly there is a huge motivation to use modern devices

Doesn't mean it's possible.

> who knows what's possible with the total cooperation of manufacturers?

Why assume "total cooperation"? The manufacturers have their reputation to lose.

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Post by refurb »

BigJ1211 wrote: post #145
vinay427 wrote: post #122

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It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

That would really depend on how you define freedom, if you look at it theoratically like "free to do whatever you want". Then maybe , if you look at it from the perspective of "an individual can garner freedoms through work" they are far more likely to do that in most other western countries. You are far more likely to not have to worry about things like healthcare in european countries than you are in the US for exa…

Sure, if you change the definition of freedom, then the US isn’t that free.

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Post by gergles »

raimue wrote: post #87
skrebbel wrote: post #81

> If you lose access to your laptop or pairing record then you will also be locked out of connecting to your phone. I never understood why people do this. What if you pour coffee over the laptop and it'll never boot up anymore? Buy a new phone too?

I would assume this supervision identity is part of your keychain as usual on macOS and could even be exported. It is not bound to any physical property of that particular laptop. A backup should be enough to avoid the scenario you are describing. You should be able to acces the iPhone after importing the supervision identity on any another Mac.

It's not in the keychain. You can back up /var/db/lockdown, though.

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Post by refurb »

jw1224 wrote: post #125
vinay427 wrote: post #122

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It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

Can you give a few examples of ways in which a US citizen is more free than I, a UK citizen, am?

That’s an easy one.

I can say pretty much anything and not have the gov’t come after me for it.

Say something distasteful about a minority group in the UK and you’ll be punished for it.

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Post by refurb »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #137
obituary_latte wrote: post #133

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I don’t think they said “more free than UK citizens”. Although, to be fair, US doesn’t have quite as intrusive CCTV. And I thought gun laws were pretty restrictive in UK? But “most ways” is probably a reach, and there are certainly things UK does do much better. Edit: would appreciate feedback if my comment is not constructive or could be improved in some way.

For me as a European "gun laws were pretty restrictive in UK" for me means freedom more than access to guns does. I quite value the freedom of not having to worry about guns.

“As a person from China, the fact the gov’t is putting Muslims in camps means more freedom for me from terrorism.”

That’s not freedom.

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Post by michaelmior »

rendall wrote: post #68
_xnmw wrote: post #54

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> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. A warrant is not required. Federal agents can search your phone at the US border, even if you're a US citizen [1]. If they can't unlock it, they can seize it [2]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-c...

You are both correct. Incidentally, the "border" for legal purposes extends 100 miles into the interior.

Since the topic came up, it's worth noting that the Border Zone Reasonableness Restoration Act of 2019 proposes reducing this distance to 25 miles along with some other changes.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/218...

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Post by michaelt »

aasasd wrote: post #201
michaelt wrote: post #176

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception Since the first border search statute was enacted in 1789, customs officials have essentially been authorised to search anything crossing the border, without warrant. It was approved by the first US congress, which counted James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and John Adams among its members. The original target was ships that might be carrying tax…

> Warrantless border searches are literally older than the fourth amendment That's not an argument for warrantless searches, though. A thing that's regulated is obviously older than the regulation. Killings are older than “thou shalt not kill.”

Perhaps I wasn't clear, what I meant to say was:

In many cases of constitutional law there's room for debate about what the founding fathers meant - what's with all those commas in the second amendment? What defines an "unusual" punishment? Is the commerce clause supposed to be as broad as Wickard v. Filburn makes it?

However, when looking at the specific question of whether the founding fathers meant for searches at the border to require a warrant or probable cause, we have clear evidence: The same people who wrote the Fourth Amendment also passed a law allowing customs officials to search boats at the border.

Of course, this doesn't preclude arguments on narrower grounds than border searches overall - I don't imagine the founding fathers imagined carrying naked pictures of their partners across the border, and border guards demanding a copy!

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Post by magashna »

draugadrotten wrote: post #142
DoubleGlazing wrote: post #101

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It's worse than that in some cases. I used to work for a big 4 consulting firm and they had some horror stories about border device searches. The company policy for travel outside the EU was simple... Your own laptop would go into a server room and become a remote desktop host, you'd be given a blank laptop. When you got to your destination safely you'd call up IT who'd tell you where to download the VPN software and…

Why did the big 4 consulting firm think that it was so important to hide the laptop data from the government during the border search?

Many companies have policies, especially when visiting China, to send in users with blank devices and wipe the devices on return.

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Post by saiya-jin »

vinay427 wrote: post #204
chacha2 wrote: post #151

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It's funny how when discussing freedom with an American they'll always insist the only measure that's really important is the one they excel in.

Please don't be so presumptuous. First of all, I live in Europe. Second, I literally said that I think (at least) people with lower incomes have better lives in other Western countries. I really do mean freedom in the literal legal sense, and I don't think this is an important metric.

In that case take a look into Switzerland - most probably the most free country in the world (most direct participation in government by regular citizens by frequent polls, tons of true personal freedom, huge gun ownership yet little criminality etc.).

I get where americans come from, and its still great place for many reasons, but for any western-european these statements are pretty weird. I guess if you are told since childhood you live in greatest country in the world, hollywood and politicians keeps playing the same tune over and over, it might feel like its true.

What we see is repressive police state outside anybody's control, sometimes properly evil government which is openly xenophobic (if you are not US citizen you mean nothing), being one serious illness away from utter bankrupcy, huge class divides that are getting bigger, biggest (private) prison state in the world, being caught with some weed in many places can still effectively ruin your professional life forever etc.

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Post by refurb »

kmlx wrote: post #152
vinay427 wrote: post #139

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That's a very convoluted definition of freedom. I think there are many other things to call that ("sensible" or "sane" come to mind...) but it's objectively less free, legally/on paper as I stated.

when the fear of guns stifles your movement, then yes, a lack of guns means more freedom. i'm writing this after having lived in the murder capital of the US and now moved to the UK. personal safety (and thus freedom) in Europe is at another level compared to the US. which makes sense. the US is at Zambia and Sudan levels of murders per capita. truly shameful.

If you look at all violent crimes in the US versus UK, they aren’t all that different.
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