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Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think it is ethical for a company to require it's employees to break the law?
If the law is unethical yes. “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.
And also force others to do so, via exploiting your power over them as an employer? Really?
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the law is unethical yes. “One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.
And also force others to do so, via exploiting your power over them as an employer? Really?
In this case no one would have to do anything as the app was already live on the appstore.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think it is ethical for a company to require it's employees to break the law?
It might be a bit much to require employees to break a law as it might expose individual employees to some legal consequences. But there are plenty of laws that are immoral. There are a number of good examples in the peer comments (some of the laws of Hitler's Germany for example). Any company manager or officer that insists on enforcing such laws is themself immoral. But it takes some skill to craft a company policy…
I think you're being a bit cavalier with the distinction between complying with a law and enforcing it. If complying with a law is morally equivalent with enforcing it, you're tarring a lot of Jews in Nazi Germany with a very nasty smelling brush.
I really don't get this. Apple has done far more than any other company in the whole industry to fight for privacy rights. They have gone right up against the legal limits every time, while all the other vendors rolled over belly up at the slightest chance.
iMessage is one of the most secure messaging systems available anywhere and is very widely used in China. For most Chinese it's the only practical secure communications system they can buy. It puts industrial strength end to end encryption in the hands of millions of Chinese.
So I get you're angry about china, that's fine. I have family over there, so I know what it's like. But going after Apple, of all the companies doing business in China you could go after, just makes no sense to me whatever.
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might be a bit much to require employees to break a law as it might expose individual employees to some legal consequences. But there are plenty of laws that are immoral. There are a number of good examples in the peer comments (some of the laws of Hitler's Germany for example). Any company manager or officer that insists on enforcing such laws is themself immoral. But it takes some skill to craft a company policy…
I think you're being a bit cavalier with the distinction between complying with a law and enforcing it. If complying with a law is morally equivalent with enforcing it, you're tarring a lot of Jews in Nazi Germany with a very nasty smelling brush. I really don't get this. Apple has done far more than any other company in the whole industry to fight for privacy rights. They have gone right up against the legal limits…
> It puts industrial strength end to end encryption in the hands of millions of Chinese.
But China doesn't allow stuff like that, surely there is a backdoor.
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#226The privacy stance is just marketing. They have handed over iCloud keys and data to the state in China already. If they cared about privacy over market dominance that wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately as an iOS user tied to the ecosystem this puts me in a difficult situation ethically speaking. I am sponsoring this. Perhaps I should stop buying into corporate marketing ideologies. Got burned by that before (Micro…
Apple has not handed over the iCloud keys and has testified in the US under penalty of perjury that they have not done this and not made an exception for China. Repeating this is dangerous because it’ll cause people to take different (probably less safe and private) actions based on incorrect information.
Yes, they have.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351
Can you link to a source showing that Apple didn't turn over control of iCloud in China to the CCP?
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#227It's time for businesses to treat China as a risk. China uniquely puts businesses in a position where they must choose between violating their values and violating their profits, and the recent spat of PR disasters have proven that your values affect your bottom line as well.
China will put your business between a rock and a hard place. Price it in.
Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store
#228The privacy stance is just marketing. They have handed over iCloud keys and data to the state in China already. If they cared about privacy over market dominance that wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately as an iOS user tied to the ecosystem this puts me in a difficult situation ethically speaking. I am sponsoring this. Perhaps I should stop buying into corporate marketing ideologies. Got burned by that before (Micro…
Apple has not handed over the iCloud keys and has testified in the US under penalty of perjury that they have not done this and not made an exception for China. Repeating this is dangerous because it’ll cause people to take different (probably less safe and private) actions based on incorrect information.
https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/technology/apple-china-iclo...
Not only has Apple given the iCloud keys to the kingdom to China, iCloud is actually run by the state in China
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#229>Yesterday, English-language state media outlet China Daily blasted Apple’s decision to allow HKmap.live onto the App Store. “Providing a gateway for ‘toxic apps’ is hurting the feelings of the Chinese people, twisting the facts of Hong Kong affairs, and against the views and principles of the Chinese people,” the op-ed argued. Wow...this type of language - "toxic apps," "hurting the feelings of the Chinese people,"…
Of course that's in part because China pays attention to what happens in the US, and they try to frame their message in such a way that is more palatable for Westerners.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
The United States Federal Trade Commission.
Mhm. And shouldn’t they, then, be broken up as well? Which monopoly breaks up the monopoly upbreakers?
Difference is that FTC's mission is to serve the people, and they are appointed through a democratic process.