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Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by chacha2 »

vinay427 wrote: post #138
lotsofpulp wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that people with lower incomes are free-er in other Western countries. They can go about their lives without worrying about healthcare, parents can bond and breastfeed for a year without stressing about work, families can go on vacations for multiple weeks, people aren’t as afraid of being abused or killed by police, etc.

Not the freedom I mean. I would say that people with lower incomes have better lives in other Western countries, but that's not the freedom from the government (at least on paper but probably in practice as well) that I meant.

It's funny how when discussing freedom with an American they'll always insist the only measure that's really important is the one they excel in.

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Post by kmlx »

vinay427 wrote: post #139
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #137

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For me as a European "gun laws were pretty restrictive in UK" for me means freedom more than access to guns does. I quite value the freedom of not having to worry about guns.

That's a very convoluted definition of freedom. I think there are many other things to call that ("sensible" or "sane" come to mind...) but it's objectively less free, legally/on paper as I stated.

when the fear of guns stifles your movement, then yes, a lack of guns means more freedom. i'm writing this after having lived in the murder capital of the US and now moved to the UK. personal safety (and thus freedom) in Europe is at another level compared to the US. which makes sense. the US is at Zambia and Sudan levels of murders per capita. truly shameful.

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Post by ekianjo »

jeroenhd wrote: post #113
sombremesa wrote: post #104

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So does it extend 100 miles from airports?

Yes, but only the international ones. About 65% of the US population lives in such a zone according to this article: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-p...

Wow, thats a generous definition of borders.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by ekianjo »

BigJ1211 wrote: post #145
vinay427 wrote: post #122

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It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

That would really depend on how you define freedom, if you look at it theoratically like "free to do whatever you want". Then maybe , if you look at it from the perspective of "an individual can garner freedoms through work" they are far more likely to do that in most other western countries. You are far more likely to not have to worry about things like healthcare in european countries than you are in the US for exa…

Class mobility better in other countries? Please provide a source for this claim.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by ekianjo »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #132
vinay427 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

I find that people with lower incomes are free-er in other Western countries. They can go about their lives without worrying about healthcare, parents can bond and breastfeed for a year without stressing about work, families can go on vacations for multiple weeks, people aren’t as afraid of being abused or killed by police, etc.

The police does not kill you in most western countries because they are so useless at doing anything and don't even do their job of protecting people or going after criminals. the only metric they care about is fining people as much as possible for minor offenses.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by ekianjo »

jw1224 wrote: post #125
vinay427 wrote: post #122

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It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

Can you give a few examples of ways in which a US citizen is more free than I, a UK citizen, am?

Freedom of expression has a much stronger protection status in the US than in the UK. That is one example.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by rendall »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #66
_xnmw wrote: post #54

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> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. A warrant is not required. Federal agents can search your phone at the US border, even if you're a US citizen [1]. If they can't unlock it, they can seize it [2]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-c...

Those two points aren't exclusive. They've now seized a secure phone and are still required to let you enter the country. I wonder what would happen if you tried to claim insurance on a phone seized at the border?

I believe, in theory at least, they are obligated to return the device when their investigations are complete.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by kmlx »

vinay427 wrote: post #122
kmlx wrote: post #106

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land of the so-called free.

It's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.

> It's still, at least on paper...

depends on the paper.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by htfu »

2rsf wrote: post #102
Nextgrid wrote: post #24

Note that this disables the use of Activation Lock, so in case of theft the bad guy can erase the device and resell it. Also this won’t actually protect you against bootrom exploits.

I don't get the benefit of Activation Lock, a thief will find it out only AFTER your phone was stolen, I doubt they will give it back to you. It's the same as with GPS / Position Car Alarms- it's great for your insurance company, but in most cases I don't want to get my car back damaged or in pieces

For straight theft, usually not, but in my experience losing a phone is a more common scenario, and quite often when tracking one (as I often end up doing for friends, since findmyiphone somehow counts as "hacking" to them) you'll see it taken all across town, the finder trying to figure out how to get it operational, then eventually giving up and settling on your offer of a finder's fee.

So the not-exactly-honest but also not actively a thief regular member of the public likely to find your phone is almost always swayed, I find.

Re: Pair Locking Your iPhone

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Post by FabHK »

ekianjo wrote: post #154
BigJ1211 wrote: post #145

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That would really depend on how you define freedom, if you look at it theoratically like "free to do whatever you want". Then maybe , if you look at it from the perspective of "an individual can garner freedoms through work" they are far more likely to do that in most other western countries. You are far more likely to not have to worry about things like healthcare in european countries than you are in the US for exa…

Class mobility better in other countries? Please provide a source for this claim.

It's well established, just google it. For example:

> Compared with many European countries, for example, few Americans end up with an income or educational level that is substantially different than their parents.

> Now, new research suggests that social mobility in America may be even more limited than researchers have realized.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/06/strik...

> US social mobility gap continues to widen

https://www.ft.com/content/7de9165e-c3d2-11e6-9bca-2b93a6856... (Paywall!)

EDIT to add:

> You're twice as likely to live the American Dream in Canada

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-american-dream-of-social...

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