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The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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"And speaking of finance, the island has no capital gains tax, stamp duty or inheritance tax, making it an enticing prospect for many."

This one sentence sums up why the Isle of Man exists the way it does. What a puff piece.

Britain/UK/whatever are full of these little places to hide your money. That's all this is. Yet another crowny thing that allows the rich to avoid paying their due in an undemocratic society.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Isle of Man has zero percent corporate tax on (most) money earned outside the Isle of Man, which includes money earned in the UK. If you're a non-resident citizen of the UK, you can deposit your dividends from your Isle of Man company in your UK bank account, tax free. For the time being, IOM companies have GB VAT numbers, and a banking system that integrates seamlessly with the UK one, as well as a postal system (qu…

'Resident but not domiciled' is a very old system in the UK based on things like which country you have purchased a burial plot in. It's kept around because its a handy way to persuade oligarchs to live in the UK: they only get taxed on non UK income if they bring it into the UK, otherwise its tax free. It was reformed several years ago to make it very hard for actual UK people to use. It is very difficult to give up…

> then HMRC will deem you UK domiciled anyway if you ever become UK tax resident

This appears to be not true in practice, reading the list of notable people with non-dom status.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and the sovereign military bases in Cyprus, which also get mentioned in the treaty discussions and full titles. I wondered how Gibraltar was outside the customs union; at time of UK joining, not only was Spain not in the EU, it was still a fascist dictatorship. https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Gibraltar-opt-out-of-the-EU-Cu...

I don't have an answer to your question but calling that EU is, historically inaccurate at best. "During the 1950s the regime also changed from being openly totalitarian and using severe repression to an authoritarian system with limited pluralism. Spain joined the United Nations in 1955 and during the Cold War Franco was one of Europe's foremost anti-communist figures: his regime was assisted by the Western powers,…

But relevantly, the EEC laid the foundations for the customs union well before it transitioned to becoming the EU, which is what GP is interested in. The EU customs union is separate from the borderless arrangements of the Schengen Area - the UK is part of the customs union but still has border checks - and of course back in the EEC days it wasn't as complete as the EU customs union is now.

Of course Gibraltar joined the EEC back when the UK did...

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and the sovereign military bases in Cyprus, which also get mentioned in the treaty discussions and full titles. I wondered how Gibraltar was outside the customs union; at time of UK joining, not only was Spain not in the EU, it was still a fascist dictatorship. https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Gibraltar-opt-out-of-the-EU-Cu...

I don't have an answer to your question but calling that EU is, historically inaccurate at best. "During the 1950s the regime also changed from being openly totalitarian and using severe repression to an authoritarian system with limited pluralism. Spain joined the United Nations in 1955 and during the Cold War Franco was one of Europe's foremost anti-communist figures: his regime was assisted by the Western powers,…

”There where still customs between all members of EEC, except Belgium and The Netherlands”

Nitpick: and Luxembourg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelux)

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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> It’s also not part of the European Union, but is within the EU Customs zone. As opposed to the British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar, which is within the European Union, but outside the EU Customs area (until Brexit, at which point it leaves the EU too). The political status of British territories and dependencies is... _complex_.

CGP Grey has a great video: "The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained" which covers a lot of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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"And speaking of finance, the island has no capital gains tax, stamp duty or inheritance tax, making it an enticing prospect for many." This one sentence sums up why the Isle of Man exists the way it does. What a puff piece. Britain/UK/whatever are full of these little places to hide your money. That's all this is. Yet another crowny thing that allows the rich to avoid paying their due in an undemocratic society.

Yep there's plenty of fun little offshore places if you're so inclined. However we also have an onshore tax haven of sorts - the City of London: https://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/02/london-corporat...

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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What the author called a 'rumpy' cat is the colloquial term used on the island, along with 'stubbin'. Otherwise the cat is called outside of the island, not surprisingly, a Manx cat. I've seen them scattered around the commonwealth as beloved pets, various tail sizes but probably sadly mutilated for cat shows for a more perfect rump. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_cat

For those unfamiliar why it's not surprising - the word "Manx" is something like "of/from the Isle of Man" (like "Scottish" or "Scotch" for Scotland)

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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The article is correct, but it's also less than relevant for most people outside the UK, unless they live on the Isle of Man. British politics provides endless wells of "Well, actually..." any time anyone says something about the subject. Shades of Mornington Crescent.

I am familiar with Camden and Mornington Crescent area, but "Shades of Mornington Crescent"?

And "Shades of ${thing}" is shorthand for something like "This reminds one of ${thing}" or "There are similarities to ${thing}"

So GP's last sentence can be interpreted as: "There are similarities to the radio game Mornington Crescent".

I often forget how British phrases, cultural references and idioms can be completely inscrutable.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Resident but not domiciled' is a very old system in the UK based on things like which country you have purchased a burial plot in. It's kept around because its a handy way to persuade oligarchs to live in the UK: they only get taxed on non UK income if they bring it into the UK, otherwise its tax free. It was reformed several years ago to make it very hard for actual UK people to use. It is very difficult to give up…

> then HMRC will deem you UK domiciled anyway if you ever become UK tax resident This appears to be not true in practice, reading the list of notable people with non-dom status.

The rules only changed in the 17/18 tax year. Also most prominent non doms have never previously been UK domiciled (eg the Goldsmith family have inherits non dom status for generations) or currently live and are tax resident abroad.
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