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Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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As someone who has appreciated the privacy stance Apple has had and the privacy assisting steps it has taken for a long time (long before iPhone), I believe Apple is coming out to be completely hypocritical and anti-privacy/anti-freedom on this app. I cannot believe that Tim Cook and other senior executives haven't examined this deeper and taken a bold stance to let the app stay! Shame on you, Apple! Even John Gruber…

I admit to being confused what this has to do with privacy.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is some incredible spin.

I'm as sympathetic to the protests as anyone and I'm definitely not used to defending Apple's behavior, but are we sure that this is spin? Undoubtedly the app is being used for more than just "ambushing and attacking police". But absent a firm belief that this reason from the Chinese government is bullshit, it's actually a pretty tall order (and questionably ethical) for a corporation to push back against a govt dema…

The point is the app is not being used for ambushing and attacking police at all, because there have been no such ambushes in Hong Kong.

The few situations where Hong Kong police have been in danger have come when a small group splits off and is isolated during a protest. In no case have protesters caught the police unawares in an ambush, let alone off-duty police.

By its nature, the app shows large concentrations of police forces. The argument is ridiculous on its face, even if you don't know the situation on the ground in Hong Kong well.

No one has been able to point to a single Hong Kong law this app violates, or to any example of it being misused in the way the statement alleges.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Out of curiosity, I reviewed the App Store guidelines: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#leg... The Legal Section states: "Apps must comply with all legal requirements in any location where you make them available (if you’re not sure, check with a lawyer). We know this stuff is complicated, but it is your responsibility to understand and make sure your app conforms with all local laws, not just…

Waze is on considerably less solid legal ground than this app.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#84

This is a good reason to never buy apple. You never know when you might need to install an app banned by your government. At least on Android you can install apps from unofficial sources.

If the metric is to circumvent or bypass your government, Android is hardly an ideal option either. It very easily also would fall under the "never buy."

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#85

The Chinese Government shakedown works like the mob. First they ask for a small favor, and then as you get deeper and deeper in the web, the demands increase. If you've already censored the NYTimes, then Quartz, why not a maps app? It's time the world took collective action (which we're beginning to see) to push back before self-censorship with the threat of coordinated "spontaneous patriotism" creates a new norm whe…

This

I met a lot of very self confident American entrepreneurs, over the years, who come to China thinking that they can play their game here.

Believe me, an average CPC section chief by mid-30 will have an arsenal of political stratagem to outplay any of those guys. Even though may look inept, they are on completely different level when it comes to your mindgames.

Your best bet in this game is not to play it. My own take on it as somebody who's been here for quite some time: the less you see them, the better.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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From NBC News reporter @DylanByers on Twitter: “We created the App Store to be a safe and trusted place to discover apps. We have learned that an app, HKmap.live, has been used in ways that endanger law enforcement and residents in Hong Kong. Many concerned customers in Hong Kong have contacted us about this app and we immediately began investigating it. The app displays police locations and we have verified with the…

As someone who has lived under a dictatorship this messaging has a familiar feel. As the now late dictator was clamping (beating and killing) down on opposition parties the press statements would always say something along the lines of, "we are protecting the rights of law abiding citizens". He never ever said I do not like anyone disagreeing with me.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#87

As someone who has appreciated the privacy stance Apple has had and the privacy assisting steps it has taken for a long time (long before iPhone), I believe Apple is coming out to be completely hypocritical and anti-privacy/anti-freedom on this app. I cannot believe that Tim Cook and other senior executives haven't examined this deeper and taken a bold stance to let the app stay! Shame on you, Apple! Even John Gruber…

I admit to being confused what this has to do with privacy.

While there are privacy concerns from the precedent it sets (can a journalist trust Apple not to bend to CPP information requests?), I agree that this seems to conflate privacy with an only indirectly-related subject.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Why is this story already off the front page? Currently 117 points in 1 hour, yet somehow behind “The Origin of the Foot Rail” with 39 points in 7 hours.

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That destroys intellectual curiosity, the value of the site.

Its not really a political topic, its an alarm clock that went off. With the big tech firms openly collaborating with regimes that dont shy away from military solutions to democratic self determination the future of the internet looks rather bleak. Its one step further to no longer being able to share information on the internet that powerful regimes dont want to be found. That your ability to share information is at will in a lot of platforms should interest the users here. Its the core problem we are facing if we want to keep any free software ideas alive in todays internet.

Differently put, this news is about Apple and the state of the internet, not the CCP.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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From NBC News reporter @DylanByers on Twitter: “We created the App Store to be a safe and trusted place to discover apps. We have learned that an app, HKmap.live, has been used in ways that endanger law enforcement and residents in Hong Kong. Many concerned customers in Hong Kong have contacted us about this app and we immediately began investigating it. The app displays police locations and we have verified with the…

This rationale focuses on how the app has been used , rather than what it does , which could apply equally well to any text messaging or web browser app that is used illegally. Imagine if this said: > We have learned that an app, iMessage, has been used in ways that endanger law enforcement and residents in Hong Kong. Many concerned customers in Hong Kong have contacted us about this app and we immediately began inve…

Importantly, it also applies to anonymous AirDrop, which is heavily used by Hong Kong protesters. Will Apple disable that too?

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

#90

Why is this story already off the front page? Currently 117 points in 1 hour, yet somehow behind “The Origin of the Foot Rail” with 39 points in 7 hours.

I've answered your question as part of a longer post—see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21211658.
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