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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by not_a_cop75 »

jessaustin wrote: post #362
sushid wrote: post #297

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Really? “Online activism” is how Trump got elected. It also raised millions for ALS many years ago despite all the naysayers claiming it’ll do nothing.

Trump got elected because his opponent was as weak and unpopular as he was, but unlike her he had the benefit of constant TV news coverage for a year and a half leading up to the election.

And she was going to start a war with Russia. Admittedly, it'd be nice to have a president that tows the line more in the middle of the two, but another war is not what we need.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by dragontamer »

jrockway wrote: post #320
rapsey wrote: post #260

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> How they've (mis)handled this will be studied by business and PR students for years to come. I doubt it. The internet has a very short attention span and online activism is pretty much useless.

That was my thought yesterday when I saw one post on Reddit. But I think things are different this time. Every post to every Blizzard-related subreddit is related to this event. One of the top posts on /r/all is about using an Overwatch character to represent the Hong Kong protests, and it's gaining traction. The NYT and WSJ have articles about the situation. Congresspeople are making statements about it. Streamers t…

Were you around for Occupy Wall Street? I am for the cause in general. But activists need to figure out a proper strategy.

Long story short: you need to demand congressional action, and lead an actual political change. That includes a plan to vote come next year (who to vote for, who to support, etc. etc.). Anything less will be largely ignored, just like Occupy Wall Street.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by jessaustin »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #381
jessaustin wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump got elected because his opponent was as weak and unpopular as he was, but unlike her he had the benefit of constant TV news coverage for a year and a half leading up to the election.

And she was going to start a war with Russia. Admittedly, it'd be nice to have a president that tows the line more in the middle of the two, but another war is not what we need.

I wish more voters cared about that sort of thing. Both 3rd-party candidates were anti-war, and they got 3.25% and 1%.

Anyway, it's curious how much this "online chicanery is what got Trump elected" meme appears, despite its obvious falsehood. I wonder whose interests are served by that?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by yifanl »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #380
yifanl wrote: post #303

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As a single data point, I've uninstalled all my (2) blizzard games and tried to purge what data I could from my account. I submitted a ticket to delete all my data, but they requested a government photo id... and given that I don't trust Blizzard with my game data, I definitely don't trust them with that.

Well, given their record, they might just sell your ID photo to the Chinese.

Which is something I try my best to avoid, yes.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by Guph »

m-p-3 wrote: post #374
legohead wrote: post #58

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They could have gotten away with it had they not been so severe. They: Banned the player, fired the casters , and took back the player's winnings . They should have just banned the player for a year and left it at that. (not agreeing with anything that they did, just looking at it from a PR perspective)

Agreed, they went nuclear without anticipating the world to fire back.

they went nuclear not caring about anything but keeping china's totalitarian government happy.

I hope this really hurts blizzard. To many people value playing the game than protecting rights, let alone rights of other people.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by danaris »

notyourday wrote: post #370
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #327

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I'm not surprised to hear that the Chinese population supports Beijing's opposition to "rich special people" trying to drag China down. It's easy to get people to take your side of made up stories.

> It's easy to get people to take your side of made up stories. These are not made up stories. Chinese population remembers about having finally electricity everywhere and moving from working farm fields to maybe getting a job in a factory and not using outhouses. There are over a billion of them. HK population remembers being a special people with British institutions. There are 7.4 million of them.

HK retaining its autonomy—like it's had since 1999 when it returned to Chinese control—would not in any way lead to a return to working farm fields for ordinary mainlanders.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by macspoofing »

amputect wrote: post #120
macspoofing wrote: post #79

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>They could have not banned the player. But that was the right decision. The player politicized their neutral platform. The NBA fined players that wouldn't stand for the anthem for the same reason.

> The player politicized their neutral platform. The NBA fined players that wouldn't stand for the anthem for the same reason. Standing for the national anthem is not a politically neutral action. FORCING players to stand for the national anthem is not a politically neutral action. It's common, but that doesn't mean it's neutral.

>Standing for the national anthem is not a politically neutral action.

Oh brother ... but OK.

The NBA went through something like this. Their policies called for standing for the anthem if you're out on the court while the anthem is playing (i.e. and cameras are rolling, and fans are watching). If you happen to have an objection to this, then you are welcome to stay in the locker room for the duration of the anthem and come out after.

I think that's entirely fair. You don't get to politicize a neutral platform, and you also aren't forced to do anything you morally object to.

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Post by justsubmit »

not_a_cop75 wrote: post #381
jessaustin wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump got elected because his opponent was as weak and unpopular as he was, but unlike her he had the benefit of constant TV news coverage for a year and a half leading up to the election.

And she was going to start a war with Russia. Admittedly, it'd be nice to have a president that tows the line more in the middle of the two, but another war is not what we need.

Wait, you think Clinton was going to start a war with Russia?

Did you miss how she sold American uranium interests to Russia?

Did you miss how Russia worked with her campaign to prepare the Steele dossier, i.e. how Russia worked with the Clinton campaign to prevent Trump from being elected?

Did you miss how the Obama administration (in which she was Secretary of State) worked with Russia, how Obama was caught on-mic telling Medvedev to tell Putin that Obama would have more flexibility after Obama was reelected?

These are all widely reported facts.

It's bizarre how people still think Russia wanted Trump to win the election.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by viridian »

yellowapple wrote: post #377
dvt wrote: post #319

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I visit HN because it provides more or less serious and intellectually-stimulating conversation with a diverse group of people that have diverse (and sometimes opposing) viewpoints. It's not that funny stuff isn't amusing, it's that it's counter to what HN might be trying to achieve.

> it's that it's counter to what HN might be trying to achieve. If HN is trying to achieve a soulless takes-itself-way-too-seriously environment, then I'd agree with you. Hopefully that's not the case (but probably is, per the observations I've accumulated over the years of hanging around here). > intellectually-stimulating conversation Humor can be intellectually-stimulating, even in the form of clever puns. Whether…

I'll bite the bullet and give my opinion without any hedging. If someone's comment consists of just a pun, or other low effort content that doesn't lead to meaningful dialogue, I'm downvoting them.

It's a housekeeping/ broken windows thing, puns and off topic one liners that exist to solicit some type of thoughtless reaction in the reader, are the first signs of a forum in decline.

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