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Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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Re: Beijing Takes Aim at Prague After ‘One-China’ Dispute Deepens

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True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size. Realistically, the West probably hope of USSR type of breakdown. To me, that is extremely unlikely given the desire of the Chinese people to remain as a united group.

>True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size Can you expand on that? In particular, how that justifies governing those people against their will.

it is hard to comment in this limited space without attracting a ton of downvotes. I am a futurist, and looking into 100-year from now, won't there be a united government just like what we saw in Star Trek?

The rule-based global system is a relatively new thing. if you look back pass WW2, it is obvious without the United States as the solo superpower, it is barbarian politics between countries, not so much for "rule-based system".

Thus, what many really expect to see, when they think about national self-determination, it is envisioned as many smaller countries with one superpower, that is the United States, with globally projected military power.

That is certainly possible, but there are many questions left, for example, how that many smaller countries counter-balance the desire of the United States?

Alternatively, can the E.U. be an example? It is certainly possible as well, but we have to ask, at which point, the E.U. will act more like one nation, where is the boundary?

All these discussions are orthogonal to the authoritarian discussions. I am certainly sad to see people view the Chinese as unable to pursuit their own democratic process without breaking the whole country.

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I'm surprised that business is so keen on China. Obviously they are a massive market, but they are also so fickle and nationalistic. Its so easy for a non-Chinese business to make an innocent mistake or just different view and have the government or citizens actively boycott you. I'd be hesitant to put any business reliance or investment in China these days.

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Quebec is not the best example. There have been two referendums on this, the second of which was extremely close to passing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_sovereignty_movement The Supreme Court of Canada went on to confirm that a referendum is a legal method for Quebec to initiate secession: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_Re_Secession_of_Queb...

True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size. Realistically, the West probably hope of USSR type of breakdown. To me, that is extremely unlikely given the desire of the Chinese people to remain as a united group.

You don’t think Singapore and Malaysia are part of China too, do you?

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It helps to know about the resurgence in Tianxia[1] ideology in China. It's vaguely analogous to the old American concept of Manifest Destiny, but with, of course, a much longer history and far greater scope. What it basically comes down to is that in the pre-Westphalian era the Chinese world view was that China had sovereignty over everything under heaven. The Great Game dealt that world view a pretty harsh blow, bu…

TIL about Tianxia. Thanks

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Beijing is slow to realize that trying to strong-arm the West's views on Tibet, Hong Kong, etc will not work, and in fact, makes their international position weaker.

What's the end-goal? Tibet cannot be a separate country (or in that respect, Hong Kong) very much like Quebec cannot be a separate country from Canada. You can say that China becomes arrogant, but what exactly West expect other than a total war that rewrite much of the world nation borders? --- Although way passed the point to convince anyone, my comment above and below conditioned on "after WW2 (breaking up any larg…

Obviously Tibet can be a separate country (and was very recently).

And if Singapore is viable as a separate country, why not Hong Kong too?

Chinese empires have broken up many times in the past. I don't expect the fate of this current empire will be any different.

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It feels like Hong Kong has spurred a political crisis in Beijing. Publicly denouncing the NBA? Publicly going after a European capital? It would be one thing to do this behind closed doors. But the hamhandedness of it all resembles flailing more than a coherent strategy. Is there a domestic nationalistic PR strategy this is playing into?

It’s looking like geopolitical whackamole.

Probably due to inexperience with dissent since just about everyone capitulated after MFN was made permanent via WTO, whereas with MFN that had to be renewed annually and gave opponents a window to offer counter opinions.

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> China’s embassy reacted angrily, saying on Facebook that Prague’s leadership should change its attitude as soon as possible or “it will be their own interests that will be hurt.”

That’s pretty pathetic. Honestly this sounds like a desperate Chinese government worker who is trying to save face

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>True. It is just hard to rewrite nation borders once it is set and done for a country of China's size Can you expand on that? In particular, how that justifies governing those people against their will.

it is hard to comment in this limited space without attracting a ton of downvotes. I am a futurist, and looking into 100-year from now, won't there be a united government just like what we saw in Star Trek? The rule-based global system is a relatively new thing. if you look back pass WW2, it is obvious without the United States as the solo superpower, it is barbarian politics between countries, not so much for "rule-…

> I am a futurist, and looking into 100-year from now, won't there be a united government just like what we saw in Star Trek?

No, that is extremely unlikely. Not just unlikely, I would view it as pretty much impossible.

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