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Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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moggie2 wrote: post #115
PostPost wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry if this sounds rude, but why does it matter if HK was more or less democratic before 1991? The protesters are not asking for a return to British rule. In the same vein, the United States is vastly more democratic than it was a 100 years ago. That does not mean the democratic process does not need additional improvement; there are critical things worth protesting today.

The unfortunate part is not WHAT the protesters are asking, it is about HOW the protesters are asking. For those who were only watching from the western mainstream media, you are missing out on some footage of the whole picture. E.g) You may have seen police beating up protesters, but you were not told that police were beaten by surprise from behind. You may have seen police fire warning shot with lethal weapon, but…

So that long paragraph was essentially saying... protesters should ask more nicely? You should have saved your words.

Quiet, non-offensive protests do not work. Large-scale, massive protests that disrupt society have a chance of working.

I also don't think it's reasonable to expect that police tear gas protesters and shoot them in the face with rubber pullets and expect zero acts in return - especially since one of the HK demands is an investigation into ongoing Police Brutality.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by vbezhenar »

nanoservices wrote: post #141
bashinator wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you do trust Google for privacy?

You'll have to trust someone. Both Google & Apple are in the same boat in that respect. My main reason to switch to Apple is the consistency. I am getting sick and tired of Google killing app after app I rely on only to release a new one with half the features. At this point I'm willing to shell out the extra money even though I agree that Apple hardware is borderline rip off levels of pricing.

Google is well known to monetize your data, it's their primary revenue after all. Apple sells hardware, while they could monetize your data, they are actively presenting themselves as a privacy company. So Apple looks better than Google in that regard.

Though I have no idea why would anyone trying to hide from Google. You can't really. Google spies on you everywhere, from every website. They already have all data and you can't do anything about it. It won't be much worse if they'll have a bit more data.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by moggie2 »

secraetomani wrote: post #89
moggie2 wrote: post #67

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

There is a big difference. US is not gonna ban Google or Waze. China might actually ban Apple tomorrow. There are no courts to appeal. There is no retort. Just the decision of one man.

As you said, China MIGHT. Which mean it has not happen yet to deserve the accusation.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by goatsi »

kwizzt wrote: post #144
goatsi wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe HN and Weibo have the same level of censorship? You are talking about the reaction on Chinese social media platforms, which have a long and detailed history of censorship.

I agree with what you said. And the point of my previous post is trying to say that I'm not posting on Weibo and I'm not censored, yet I still have the similar sentiment that people who do post on Weibo have, tho not as extreme.

You have a similar sentiment to what is permitted to be displayed on Weibo. As we have agreed, there is strong censorship on Weibo. Do you believe that pro Hong Kong protester posts would be permitted by that censorship? Clearly there is a strong anti Hong Kong protester reaction on Weibo. But with the heavy censorship we have no idea what percentage of the Chinese population might have a different view.

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Post by dirtyid »

PostPost wrote: post #151
moggie2 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The unfortunate part is not WHAT the protesters are asking, it is about HOW the protesters are asking. For those who were only watching from the western mainstream media, you are missing out on some footage of the whole picture. E.g) You may have seen police beating up protesters, but you were not told that police were beaten by surprise from behind. You may have seen police fire warning shot with lethal weapon, but…

So that long paragraph was essentially saying... protesters should ask more nicely? You should have saved your words. Quiet, non-offensive protests do not work. Large-scale, massive protests that disrupt society have a chance of working. I also don't think it's reasonable to expect that police tear gas protesters and shoot them in the face with rubber pullets and expect zero acts in return - especially since one of t…

>protesters should ask more nicely?

The protesters have never asked nicely. The history of HK protests post handover has been couched in nativism bigotry against mainland China, the very audience they should be trying to win over. If their problem was the Chinese government, they wouldn't be targeting mainland people and their businesses. Whatever little effort they made to reach out was framed in "support us because you're brainwashed" language. They would be burning CPC government flag instead of the Chinese national one. They wouldn't be waving western flags, which may as well be tiki torches, or appealing to western authorities.

Ever considered why no one ever had the idea of waving the Chinese flag and petitioning the Chinese for change? They should try it. It's easy for the CPC to look the other way and watch the city burn, it's much harder for the CPC to ignore 2 million HKers who wave the Chinese flag for a better future. Of course that doesn't play well with the west, but maybe they shouldn't be focusing on them in the first place. The cost of their strategy is that on mainland China, whose sentiment their future depends upon, HK protestors are viewed as the equivalent of alt-right agitators instead of patriots: disenfranchised, social media savvy, economically anxious youth who see their culture being displaced and their privileged being eroded by immigrant mainlanders. Rich ones come in to buy all the property, poor ones use up all the social services. These are common complaints to the mainland locust narrative - when the mainland sends their people, they're not sending their best.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by godelski »

mattparcher wrote: post #114
moggie2 wrote: post #67

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

IANAL, but “evade law enforcement” seems inaccurate. > HKMAP helps residents comply with the wishes of law enforcement (who communicate their demands by colored flags quickly raised in the dark). > …[the app] doesn't contravene any Hong Kong law that I am aware of. This app helps answer questions like "will I get shot with a bean bag round if I come out of this MTR station, because the police raised a colored flag I…

> This app helps answer questions like "will I get shot with a bean bag round if I come out of this MTR station..."

Helpful and sassy comment.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by godelski »

secraetomani wrote: post #89
moggie2 wrote: post #67

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

There is a big difference. US is not gonna ban Google or Waze. China might actually ban Apple tomorrow. There are no courts to appeal. There is no retort. Just the decision of one man.

How?

A lot of Chinese people have iPhones. Are you just going to hack all of them or replace all of them over night?

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by Yetanfou »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #11
Despegar wrote: post #5

Apple will most likely be fine because it's unlike any other western company operating in China in that it employs a lot of people assembling their products. It's not in the CCP's interest for people to boycott Apple in a nationalist fervor only for unemployment to rise, which would be an existential threat to the CCP if they lost control of.

Except everyone assembles phones in China. A dip for Apple is Huawei's gain, and they're entirely based in China.

Samsung has just closed its last phone manufacturing plant in China and has no such production left in the country:

The shutdown of Samsung’s last China phone factory comes after it cut production at the plant in the southern city of Huizhou in June and suspended another factory late last year, underscoring stiff competition in the country.

The South Korean tech giant’s ceased phone production in China follows other manufacturers shifting production from China due to rising labor costs and the economic slowdown.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21143405

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by quotz »

paulcarroty wrote: post #124

> This app is truly rioters’ friend. It helps criminals to circumvent and escape the police, get away with all their sabotage, vandalizing, and violences committed to anyone who doesn’t support them. 2.5/5 rating thanks to stupid Chinese bots. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hkmap-即時地圖/id1480938601

If the chinese agents can downvote AppStore apps, they can easily do that here at HN. I've had a lot of negative experiences lately on my antiCCP comments...

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by taobility »

goatsi wrote: post #134
kwizzt wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media…

> the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. That isn't the actual reaction of Chinese people, that's the reaction that the Chinese social media companies permit to be displayed. Do you think that a post supporting the Hong Kong protesters would be permitted by the censors?

But the tweets and posts to support HK polices on Twitter/Facebook were deleted, how would you explain that?
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