Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident • Hacker News Board

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by tandr » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

AzzieElbab wrote: post #280

AcerbicZero wrote: post #159

So, Twitter et al. have been training corporations to pay attention to various levels of public outrage, and the public outrage has been training corporations on how to mitigate that outrage without impacting the bottom line too dramatically, and now we're surprised these pliable flexible money gumbys' are bending to the whim of someone with (potentially) more money? As a bonus, "we" (The West) have recently demonstr…

Since Twitter is blocked in China, I bet it is corpotate regional managers who are flipping out about posts that reach maybe 1 percent of China's population

1% of 1'500'000'000 is 15 million people

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by jessaustin » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

sushid wrote: post #297

rapsey wrote: post #260

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> How they've (mis)handled this will be studied by business and PR students for years to come. I doubt it. The internet has a very short attention span and online activism is pretty much useless.

Really? “Online activism” is how Trump got elected. It also raised millions for ALS many years ago despite all the naysayers claiming it’ll do nothing.

Trump got elected because his opponent was as weak and unpopular as he was, but unlike her he had the benefit of constant TV news coverage for a year and a half leading up to the election.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by htfu » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

jschwartzi wrote: post #224

Knove wrote: post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

The difference here is that although the US government doesn't want us to talk about September 11th, I'm totally free to do so at any time, on any channel, using any medium. I can freely call George W. Bush an idiot and a dupe for playing right into Osama Bin Laden's plans. I can say that the TSA and the further restrictions on freedom of movement have been one of the worst aspects of the post-911 world in the US. An…

Voltaire's biographer was a founding father?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by dirtyid » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

shkkmo wrote: post #356

dirtyid wrote: post #318

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The physical island is a huge geopolitical asset or security risk. See island chain strategy. Also look up elevation map of Taiwan + Taiwan straight. Chinese coast is very shallow and hard to hide Chinese subs, whereas east Taiwan drops straight into deep water which enables China to hide subs which is important in controlling regional waters against US Navy. Regardless, the Chinese military planning certainly doesn'…

China does not occupy Taiwan, so those points are moot. What security interest is served by censoring discussion of the existence of Taiwan? This is a political issue, not a security issue.

It's both. Politics is a huge part, reunification is #1 CPC policy consideration since founding and her entire legitimacy rests on it. Occupation goal is by 2050. No one is censoring discussion of Taiwan? If you're talking flag emoji that's equivalent to banning confederate flag in Chinese context. People talk about Taiwan in China all the time but under context of reunification. On refusing sovereignty claims. If Taiwan was sovereign they would be free to host US bases which challenges Chinese security, particularly shipping lanes where China imports oil. China is not energy secure. Taiwan has been a Chinese "redline" for many reasons.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by tptacek » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #351

tptacek wrote: post #343

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But private companies deplatforming people is exactly the thing you were speaking approvingly of earlier; that's simple freedom of association, articulated through commercial pressure.

I think private companies doing that based on commercial pressure is fine. I don’t trust, however, that it will stay that way. Many of the same people who approve of those efforts also see government intervention is a key tool to achieve social policy. (Which is also something I don’t necessarily oppose.) I just worried about what could happen when those two lines of thinking collide. Deplatforming hate speech based…

That makes sense. The last Make No Law episode covers some of this in detail as well.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by dang » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:07 PM UTC

darawk wrote: post #358

dang wrote: post #244

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It's an uninteresting commentary on the state of the Hacker News guidelines. Please read and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm legitimately unsure which of those you think my comment contravened. Unless, as I said, you are implying that the suggestion Trump did something good is intrinsically political flame bait.

It was snarky and flamebait and unsubstantive, and arguably off topic. That's a bunch of guidelines. The bar for a good comment here is much higher than a snarky drive-by partisan one-liner, and all users need to respect that, regardless of their politics.

> Unless, as I said, you are implying that

It would be the same if your comment had put Trump in a bad light or any other divisive figure in a good light or a bad light. I know it's hard, when you get a moderation reply, not to interpret it as the mods secretly being on the other side of the argument from you, but however natural it is, that reaction is incorrect.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by ryacko » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:29 PM UTC

ericmcer wrote: post #234

heyyyouu wrote: post #35

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

Only time will tell? Blizzard has not been a hip indie game studio for many years now, and people have incredibly short memories. Will you still be talking about this 3 months from now? Their chinese investors, partners, etc. may have a much longer memory than a bunch of Americans getting outraged at the latest injustice to be outraged about.

Yes, people have incredibly short memories, they will forget all about Blizzard and never return.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by citizenkeen » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:32 PM UTC

kaybe wrote: post #294

celticmusic wrote: post #63

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There was recently a brouhaha over a cosplayer being accused of blackface for cosplaying a league of legends character named Pyke. This cosplayer was a finalist and the competition in question removed her over it. When I first encountered it this morning my thought was that she ultimately wins because she's getting exposure that she never would have gotten before, and most people aren't ridiculous.

So what would be the PC way to cosplay a specific dark-skinned character when you are really light-skinned?

Black people seem to be able to dress up as white characters without using white face just fine.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by ryacko » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:32 PM UTC

dirtyid wrote: post #318

shkkmo wrote: post #301

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In what way does pretending Taiwan does not exist improve China's security?

The physical island is a huge geopolitical asset or security risk. See island chain strategy. Also look up elevation map of Taiwan + Taiwan straight. Chinese coast is very shallow and hard to hide Chinese subs, whereas east Taiwan drops straight into deep water which enables China to hide subs which is important in controlling regional waters against US Navy. Regardless, the Chinese military planning certainly doesn'…

How do Taiwanese companies do business in China?

"Hello, I am the CEO of a company located in a fully autonomous province that does not pay taxes to the PRC?"

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by notyourday » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 8:37 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #327

notyourday wrote: post #132

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> Those people who can circumvent the GFoC, already knows that their leader is pulling down the whole country. CCP is what is industrializing the country. There's not a single person in the West who is not a recent immigrant that lived in a pre-industrial society. In this case Chinese population supports CCP because between supporting some rich special people in HK protesting something and not going back to working t…

I'm not surprised to hear that the Chinese population supports Beijing's opposition to "rich special people" trying to drag China down. It's easy to get people to take your side of made up stories.

> It's easy to get people to take your side of made up stories.

These are not made up stories. Chinese population remembers about having finally electricity everywhere and moving from working farm fields to maybe getting a job in a factory and not using outhouses. There are over a billion of them.

HK population remembers being a special people with British institutions. There are 7.4 million of them.