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Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by nanoservices »

bashinator wrote: post #135
helpPeople wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could never trust Apple given their track record. Plus, their hardware is overpriced for what you get. I genuinely have a hard time understanding the appeal. It seems to have the Gucci brand name, maybe integrations but I don't feel this is lacking on Android, and maybe privacy but I don't trust Apple for privacy.

But you do trust Google for privacy?

You'll have to trust someone. Both Google & Apple are in the same boat in that respect. My main reason to switch to Apple is the consistency. I am getting sick and tired of Google killing app after app I rely on only to release a new one with half the features. At this point I'm willing to shell out the extra money even though I agree that Apple hardware is borderline rip off levels of pricing.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by 0xffff2 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #107
mikenew wrote: post #105

Happy to see Apple caught in such a difficult situation. They insist on being the sole arbiter of what software a user is allowed to install on their device, so this is their burden to bear. They could at any point give up their walled garden approach to iOS, but they won't, so they're dragged into this impossible situation of appeasing CCP or appeasing the rest of the world. FWIW I'm happy they've chosen to allow th…

I've always accepted their walled-garden philosophy as a security measure, but you know, I'm realizing that it doesn't have to be either-or. They can continue to hold App Store listings to high standards of security and quality, and I'll continue to use it when that's what I want, while allowing people the option of side-loading at their own risk. Most of the problems with malicious apps on Android don't happen becau…

The trouble is that if you provide a mechanism to side-load, people will be convinced to use it without understanding the risks they are taking. See also the recent issues with MDM. In that sense, it kind of is either/or for the average user.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by kwizzt »

goatsi wrote: post #136
kwizzt wrote: post #128

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Do you think I'm censored by posting in HN? Do you believe I'm a wumao? I'm here speaking out of my own free will. I'm in the US and I don't agree with a lot of what CCP has done, but in terms on NBA and Hong Kong issues, I can see the reason why Chinese people feel differently from Americans, and I sometimes feel the same.

Do you believe HN and Weibo have the same level of censorship? You are talking about the reaction on Chinese social media platforms, which have a long and detailed history of censorship.

I agree with what you said. And the point of my previous post is trying to say that I'm not posting on Weibo and I'm not censored, yet I still have the similar sentiment that people who do post on Weibo have, tho not as extreme.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by 0xffff2 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #81
oceanplexian wrote: post #38

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The problem is that most people would need to look in the mirror. Do you have a 401k? Do you plan on having a retirement? Then infinite growth needs to be a thing, otherwise that 7-9% a year that people think they are "guaranteed" from index funds would evaporate. If people couldn't make money off of passive investments it would turn the entire economy upside down.

You'd still get dividends. This is the point of confusion: media often presents growth as == profit. But growth is growth in profit. The derivative of profit; expanding profits, over time. A company that doesn't grow at all continues to output just as much profit, just not more profit.

Yes, but dividends aren't going to provide you with a 7% return, and most people that can afford to plan for retirement on the basis of 7% returns can't afford to do so on the basis of ~3-4% you might expect from dividends.

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by GeekyBear »

Scramblejams wrote: post #77
Despegar wrote: post #5

Apple will most likely be fine because it's unlike any other western company operating in China in that it employs a lot of people assembling their products. It's not in the CCP's interest for people to boycott Apple in a nationalist fervor only for unemployment to rise, which would be an existential threat to the CCP if they lost control of.

I doubt it. This is just, like, my opinion, man, but I think the Chinese would walk away from any company in the world in an instant if it suits their security needs. If their economic ministry is doing its job then they will have detailed contingency plans to address the loss of any of their major foreign benefactors, and if required those jobs can be replaced with state handouts, at least until the crisis passes. I…

Samsung certainly went from having a large market share in China to being an also ran that abandoned Chinese manufacturing after state led boycotts of their products as a response to South Korea allowing a ballistic missile defense system to be installed on their soil.

As I recall, buying local brands instead was framed as patriotism.

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Post by derf_ »

Scramblejams wrote: post #112
throw0101a wrote: post #97

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> If I were Tim Cook I'd be real worried about being shut out of my own supply chain right about now. You're not wrong, but if people see that China is willing to shutdown someone as big as Apple, then they'll know that everyone else (who is probably smaller) stand no chance at all. People may start re-evaluating the (economic / supply-chain) risks they're will to take at that point.

I’d hope what's happening now is already enough for everyone to reevaluate those risks! In any case, threatening to shut Apple down wouldn’t be a message that you can’t do business in China, just that everybody, no matter how big, needs to toe the line. Do that, and you won’t have any problems.

> everybody, no matter how big, needs to toe the line. Do that, and you won’t have any problems.

And maybe you're fine with that today. But once you've ceded that ground, what happens when they move the line?

Because they always move the line.

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Post by _bxg1 »

0xffff2 wrote: post #145
_bxg1 wrote: post #81

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You'd still get dividends. This is the point of confusion: media often presents growth as == profit. But growth is growth in profit. The derivative of profit; expanding profits, over time. A company that doesn't grow at all continues to output just as much profit, just not more profit.

Yes, but dividends aren't going to provide you with a 7% return, and most people that can afford to plan for retirement on the basis of 7% returns can't afford to do so on the basis of ~3-4% you might expect from dividends.

Sure. It wouldn't be a quick-fix; other parts of the system would have to adjust. But it isn't fundamentally infeasible: there's still a positive flow.

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Post by maximente »

bluGill wrote: post #80
vuln wrote: post #50

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What does standing up for Hong Kong mean to you. What could Trump do to help? Generally curious.

Just recognizing HK and Taiwan as separate countries from China would be big.

the HK protests aren't about creating a separate sovereign country, it was largely about an extradition bill and has now grown somewhat to include ousting the current "chief executive" among other things.

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Post by coolspot »

dkonofalski wrote: post #48
vermontdevil wrote: post #36

Apple is going to cave. And it’ll set a worse precedent because other governments are going to demand backdoors etc.

If Apple didn't cave to the US government, what makes you think they're going to cave to China?

Apple didn't cave to US government, because they are not obligated by US law to do so. In China they have/make any laws needed to make Apple cave. See Apple iCloud in China.
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