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Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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i hope the ceo can be sued, when fornite players are banned for opposing the u.s. government as opposed to china.

this whole thing is political bullshit. dumbass idiot consumers (citizen is a dirty word didn't you know?) in the west being used as pawns. so long as they have no brains and don't look inwards, they won't be punished.

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Is that the same company that recently was in the news due to brutal workloads and work hours?

What game company isn't requiring brutal workloads and hours? It's pretty par for the course for game developers. They're also underpaid compared to developers that aren't working in games.

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It's popular to hate Sweeney and Epic within the gaming community at the moment.

Because they've done a very shitty thing.

Nah, it's 99% handwaving and bandwagoning, like you're doing.

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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Because they've done a very shitty thing.

Could you elaborate? I've seen a lot of arguments along those lines, but none were willing to actually explain what it is exactly they're doing that is wrong.

For some reason Valve seems to have a lot of very rabid fans on Reddit, from many many years. Valve gets a free pass for showing annoying ads on every Steam update while being a paid service and also for their forced 30% cut and essentially being a monopoly. All the while barely improving the product for years while making billions from the cash cow.

When I saw Epic was jumping into the fray I figured there'd be vicious backlash and handwringing from the community for minor things and wasn't surprised at all.

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

#55

Why have the League of Legends announcers stopped saying the words "Hong Kong" in phrases such as the team "Honk Kong Attitude", and instead only say HKA? Does Tencent control the broadcast/streaming?

It's gotta be the casters trolling. "Hong Kong" as a phrase is regularly said on all Chinese media.

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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Thanks for correcting me. I see my mistake now. Tencent controls 40% of Epic. Tencent controls 100% of Riot/League of Legends. Epic has no control over Riot/League of Legends.

Tencent controls 100% of Riot/League of Legends As Matt Levine observes, an American company can simply ignore its foreign owner if necessary https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-01/citgo-...

There are some differences.

Number one, the US has basically declared economic war on Venezuela. The government is preventing anyone from coming to the US to do anything to control Citgo. Notice that the Citgo situation still depended on them declaring bankruptcy and then some mix of legal and political maneuvering to get a new board installed. But Citgo is a huge important energy company, not a video game company, and our relationship with Venezuela is much worse than our relationship with China. Despite the trade war and tough talk I can't imagine that LoL is the hill that the Trump admin would use to escalate things. Matt Levine's point is that the people who control the company are the ones with the keys to the office and if you have the political will you can use law enforcement to give control to the people that you want. But from the perspective of Venezuela/China, it's tantamount to the US seizing control of a foreign corporation and would be a huge escalation.

Number two, Citgo does not care about ongoing access to Venezuela (plus due to sanctions it's not like they have an economic relationship with Venezuela at the moment anyway). Their customers are not in Venezuela, their customers are in America. And they don't need to source oil from Venezuela, oil is a global commodity. Finally, there is a chance of leadership change in Venezuela. So you have scenario one, Maduro keeps control of Venezuela and nothing changes for Citgo (Venezuela now hates them but it doesn't matter because that relationship was already severed) but now Citgo is officially independent. Or scenario two, Guaido gets control and Citgo is embraced by the new leadership that they supported from the beginning.

For Riot, things are totally different. They currently have access to the Chinese market and don't want to lose that access. Sure, maybe they could convince a judge to let them appoint an American board and remove Chinese control, but if that were to happen China would just sever access to the Chinese market.

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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Because they've done a very shitty thing.

Could you elaborate? I've seen a lot of arguments along those lines, but none were willing to actually explain what it is exactly they're doing that is wrong.

The short version is pretty simple. Epic has been paying developers a whole shit-ton of money for an exclusive release on their storefront and launcher, and a lot of PC gamers do not like exclusive releases or having additional launchers.

That's not such a big deal though, the real problem is that they did this with games that were in development for years with Kickstarter-style backing that had up until that point explicitly targeted other storefronts. To many this seems like a betrayal by the developer and Epic's behavior is making the market worse.

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

#58
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Even if that is true, they are at least on the record now with a position and I do feel like that is important. I would hope to see other game companies make these statements as well.

If EPIC backtracks on something their CEO said, it wouldn’t be the first time. Tim Sweeney consistently makes a fool of himself and his statements turn out to be completely false pretty often. I wouldn’t take anything he says either seriously or as an actual position of the company.

Can you give an example?

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate? I've seen a lot of arguments along those lines, but none were willing to actually explain what it is exactly they're doing that is wrong.

For some reason Valve seems to have a lot of very rabid fans on Reddit, from many many years. Valve gets a free pass for showing annoying ads on every Steam update while being a paid service and also for their forced 30% cut and essentially being a monopoly. All the while barely improving the product for years while making billions from the cash cow. When I saw Epic was jumping into the fray I figured there'd be vici…

Valve advertises games on a platform that sells games and only does it when you start Steam. 30% is standard. They're a de-facto monopoly because they basically invented the market and no one has managed to do better, they have not engaged in anti-competitive practices and in fact allow people to sell Steam keys for their game on other storefronts without paying Valve at all.

Re: Epic CEO says it won't ban Fortnite players for taking a stance on human rights

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They will fire the CEO.

With what shareholder majority?

To clarify, shareholders don't vote to fire a CEO, so a majority is only tangentially important. The board votes on these sorts of decisions, however shareholders vote on nominations for board members -that are put forward by a seperate committee. So essentially no one on the board sits there without Sweeney's approval right now (because he holds the majority of shares, and presumably would have voted against people he doesn't approve of). Even if Tencent had a majority right now, unless the nomination committee had previously put forward board members that strongly favoured Tencent, and therefore gave them a good portion of board votes, then it would be effectively useless.

There are technically ways you can make certain seats on the board have a larger weight in voting, but I don't know Epic's specifics and am going to assume it's pretty standard.

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