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Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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So far, I haven’t really seen it outside campuses, but there is a strong push to have private companies deplatform people, and government action is always a tool in the toolchest that people might invoke. As to your second point, FIRE tends to advocate for free speech on campus generally, including private schools. A lot of the right-wing attempts at suppressing speech happen at places like private religious schools…

But private companies deplatforming people is exactly the thing you were speaking approvingly of earlier; that's simple freedom of association, articulated through commercial pressure.

I think private companies doing that based on commercial pressure is fine. I don’t trust, however, that it will stay that way. Many of the same people who approve of those efforts also see government intervention is a key tool to achieve social policy. (Which is also something I don’t necessarily oppose.) I just worried about what could happen when those two lines of thinking collide. Deplatforming hate speech based on commercial pressure is a temporary alliance between progressives and liberalitarians. It wouldn’t be the first time, however, where such alliances have broken down as progressives pushed harder.

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I don’t know about SNL, but the thing that pisses me off about Blizzard is that they have been parading around as a company that supports human rights. They recently held a pro LGBT+ event, they’ve held numerous humanitarian aid campaigns and they even have a statue outside their headquarters that features one of their core values “Every voice matters”. You simply can’t do all that, and then go against democracy and…

Not to denigrate supporting any kind of human rights, but promoting LGBT and humanitarian causes in almost any western country won't lose them a single customer. Today, that's the easy way out. 20-30 years ago it would be gutsy.

It can still cost them customers, e.g. hardcore Christians. Today, it is still brave, just less than 20-30 years ago.

Throughout the entire existence of WoW they've actively prohibited LGBT community to express themselves in WoW. While they did nothing about virtual RP sex on RP servers.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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some things are knowable beforehand.

China's using economic leverage to bully companies into toeing their propaganda line -- particularly in light of the nba incident -- should have every public companies entangled in China figuring out their strategy for when someone speaks this way.

What we need is an economic partnership that can stand up to China, like a union of companies that can actually deter China from throwing its weight around. This partnership should be more than just the United States too. It should span across the entire Pacific region, including Japan, Australia, Vietnam, Indonesia, Singapore and others. Maybe we could call it a "Cross-Pacific-Partnership". This is a totally new idea that I'm having in response to recent events and nobody could have foreseen the need for this.

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> The reality is that corporations shouldn't be espousing political viewpoints But they MUST. That’s the issue. There is no such thing as remaining neutral. What could they do? Ban the player to make China happy? Now the west is mad and boycotting. NOT ban the player? Now China is pissed and kicking you out of the country. They were damned by someone either way. There was no neutral political stance they could take.…

The comment you're replying to is suggesting a way to prevent a PR crisis like this, not a way to escape an ongoing crisis. It's hard to deny that there would be a much smaller PR issue here if the player had been prevented from voicing any opinion on Hong Kong in the first place.

But that wouldn’t be neutral either. It would clearly be favoring a side (and may have backfired when it came out).

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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I'm curious what the reaction to these events has been in South Korea, where Blizzard derives a significant amount of their worth from. I would think South Korea would be particularly incensed, given that they are also a small country near China and are familiar with tyrannical rule. But I've not read up enough to know if these events are making waves there. If they are, that's a far bigger issue for Blizzard than a…

> South Korea, where Blizzard derives a significant amount of their worth from > that's a far bigger issue for Blizzard than a handful of angry American players In fact Activision Blizzard only has 12% of revenue from Asia-Pacific [0][1]. The vast majority is from the Americas and EMEA [2]. The west should have a bigger say on Activision Blizzard's business, not China or South Korea. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/hear…

Additional info: For those wondering why Activision Blizzard kowtows to China while having a small revenue base there, tweets by Mark Kern (team lead of World of Warcraft and former Blizzard employee) may offer an answer.

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1181737774132518912

The whole thread is a gem. Boils down to bribes and subsidies. He's taking a huge risk by making it public.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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In what way does pretending Taiwan does not exist improve China's security?

The physical island is a huge geopolitical asset or security risk. See island chain strategy. Also look up elevation map of Taiwan + Taiwan straight. Chinese coast is very shallow and hard to hide Chinese subs, whereas east Taiwan drops straight into deep water which enables China to hide subs which is important in controlling regional waters against US Navy. Regardless, the Chinese military planning certainly doesn'…

China does not occupy Taiwan, so those points are moot.

What security interest is served by censoring discussion of the existence of Taiwan?

This is a political issue, not a security issue.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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And that's why FIFA bans all political displays or comments, and displays of any symbols in general... I expect Blizzard to follow suit.

Interesting, the MLS (Major League Soccer), a US professional soccer league, recently faced this issue because a flag associated with an antifa/anti-nazi affiliated group was being displayed by fans at some matches. At first they banned it, then after some consideration they temporarily unbanned it. (Temporarily, because the league said they will reconsider its flag rules in the off-season.) https://www.seattletimes.…

There is plenty of this in European football. I remember fan groups flying Che Guevara flags at many games with no problems.

It really becomes a problem when teams and players do it, and even more in international settings. Hence FIGA's rule, which is aimed at keeping the game neutral and an inclusive sport.

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It's an interesting commentary on the state of discourse that the mere suggestion that the sitting president may have done something good is considered political flamewar bait.

It's an uninteresting commentary on the state of the Hacker News guidelines. Please read and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm legitimately unsure which of those you think my comment contravened. Unless, as I said, you are implying that the suggestion Trump did something good is intrinsically political flame bait.

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So what would be the PC way to cosplay a specific dark-skinned character when you are really light-skinned?

Be a light-skinned Pyke. The costume IMO is the most important part. If you have the look, you don't need to put on black-face to have a killer cosplay.

that's not Pyke.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Side note: what's going on with people believing reddit has some monopoly on puns/trolls/memes and that hacker-types (like the folks who presumably frequent Hacker News) would never find them amusing?

I visit HN because it provides more or less serious and intellectually-stimulating conversation with a diverse group of people that have diverse (and sometimes opposing) viewpoints. It's not that funny stuff isn't amusing, it's that it's counter to what HN might be trying to achieve.

A discussion of how this type of event could affect other large MMO developers, such as CCP, could be relevant. There's a large Chinese playerbase in EVE Online.

> It's not that funny stuff isn't amusing, it's that it's counter to what HN might be trying to achieve.

So, keep it serious. No Having fun. Gotchya.

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