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Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by scarface74 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #88
Scramblejams wrote: post #77

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I doubt it. This is just, like, my opinion, man, but I think the Chinese would walk away from any company in the world in an instant if it suits their security needs. If their economic ministry is doing its job then they will have detailed contingency plans to address the loss of any of their major foreign benefactors, and if required those jobs can be replaced with state handouts, at least until the crisis passes. I…

If I were Tim Cook I'd be real worried about being shut out of my own supply chain right about now. Didn't Apple start ramping up iPhone production in India recently? I agree that China is likely to retaliate but I imagine whatever decision making process there was for approving this HK app involved plenty of lawyers and analysis of potential fallout.

Not at any particular scale -- just enough to avoid import tariffs and keep the local politicians happy. The same thing that you see in the US for military contracts.

Apple is also paying lip service to "manufacturing in the US" by manufacturing the low volume, high margin Mac Pros.

Not meant to be a value judgement, knowing how to placate politicians is necessary when you operate at scale.

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Post by scarface74 »

strken wrote: post #37
pdimitar wrote: post #28

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People buy devices cheaper than the iPhone either because they cannot afford it or because they disagree with Apple somewhere. First group doesn't really have a choice and the second group has no interest in an iPhone.

This might be broadly true in the US, where iPhones are a status symbol and where they achieved market dominance early, but it's not true globally.

How is something a "status symbol" when Apple has close to half of the market share in the US and anyone can afford one via monthly payments offered by Apple and the carriers?

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Post by ridewinter »

president wrote: post #60
_bxg1 wrote: post #18

The China market is often framed as a mortal necessity for companies that have no more room to grow stateside. What we forget is that this assumes infinite corporate growth, which is literally impossible, despite being demanded by shareholders. We need to drop this notion that every single year has to result in growth. Corporations no longer have the option of settling into a market segment and developing a harmoniou…

We are at a point where society has pushed society/people past their limits in the chase for growth. We are so hungry for growth that we have destroyed the environment to fuel our products, squeezed every last drop of our workers, and have now resorted to selling out our freedoms. And after all of this, most of us are still unable to secure a stable future due to high housing, healthcare, and living costs. Essentiall…

I encourage everyone pessimistic about our future to learn about David Deutsch's infinite optimism: https://youtu.be/lX-K63pVPTM

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Post by paulcarroty »

> This app is truly rioters’ friend. It helps criminals to circumvent and escape the police, get away with all their sabotage, vandalizing, and violences committed to anyone who doesn’t support them.

2.5/5 rating thanks to stupid Chinese bots.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hkmap-即時地圖/id1480938601

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by baq »

La1n wrote: post #93
noja wrote: post #13

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If they are worried about a song , it makes them look very weak indeed.

I feel weird about all the China outrage currently. Some of it feels very hypocritical. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/31...

Rightly so but this thread is about China. What you’re doing is whataboutism.

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Post by my_username_is_ »

camdenlock wrote: post #98
ycombonator wrote: post #31

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No politician for the past 50 years stood up to China until Trump faced them head on. Credit where it’s due.

Yeah, it’s beyond sad to me that TRUMP is the guy who just happens to be standing up to the authoritarian threat of China. Why can’t we get a proper leader to do the same? Are any of the Democratic Party nominees making good noises about China?

Warren wrote this editorial last week: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/it-is-time-for-the-unit...

Generally this isn't a very partisan debate. Most people who support Hong Kong do so in the name of democracy or self-determination. Most of China's supporters are acting in their economic self interest or because of appeals to nationalism.

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Post by kwizzt »

gnode wrote: post #116
kwizzt wrote: post #96

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One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media…

> I'll give you another video about Hong Kong protesters for a different perspective The video shows one person being frustrated that a road is blocked by protesters: "if you kill people, set fires, I don't care. But you're blocking the road." I'm sure if you look at any protest throughout history, you could find an anecdote of someone being inconvenienced by it.

But do you see how the protesters treated this old lady? Pointing lasers at her eyes. Giving her the Chinese flag to make her look pro China. You still only seem to see how frustrated this lady was being while ignoring the behaviors by the protestors in this case

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Post by kwizzt »

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #111
kwizzt wrote: post #96

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One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media…

> the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media People are censored and punished for disagreeing with their government and its dictator-for-life.

Do you think I'm censored by posting in HN? Do you believe I'm a wumao? I'm here speaking out of my own free will. I'm in the US and I don't agree with a lot of what CCP has done, but in terms on NBA and Hong Kong issues, I can see the reason why Chinese people feel differently from Americans, and I sometimes feel the same.

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Post by president »

calcifer wrote: post #108
kwizzt wrote: post #96

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One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media…

> the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media Why do you think those people react that way? Nobody is born with an opinion. What politics they were exposed to growing up? What did the schools teach them? What behaviour did the government punish, what did it allow? Which information sources where they given access to? Are the "actual Chinese people" who disagree with the party allowed…

And it's only going to get worse:

> Director of the SOAS China Institute Professor Steve Tsang said: "One way to improve, or re-earn a positive social credit score could be to report your neighbours for speaking against President Xi Jinping. This could be seen as helping to defend the honour of the country, or the honour of the leader, by alerting the party to someone who is potentially going to destabilise the country."

Source: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1153414/china-latest-ne...

Re: China attacks Apple for allowing Hong Kong crowdsourced police activity app

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Post by NicoJuicy »

paulcarroty wrote: post #124

> This app is truly rioters’ friend. It helps criminals to circumvent and escape the police, get away with all their sabotage, vandalizing, and violences committed to anyone who doesn’t support them. 2.5/5 rating thanks to stupid Chinese bots. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hkmap-即時地圖/id1480938601

Easy way to flag Chinese bot accounts and delete them then
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